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11-6-2009 7:00 PM
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Lexica says:
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Toward the end of her piece, Joyce makes a particularly fascinating point about MRAs' domestic violence arguments:
Critics like Australian sociologist Michael Flood say that men’s rights movements reflect the tactics of domestic abusers themselves, minimizing existing violence, calling it mutual, and discrediting victims. MRA groups downplay national abuse rates, just as abusers downplay their personal battery; they wage campaigns dismissing most allegations as false, as abusers claim partners are lying about being hit; and they depict the violence as mutual—part of an epidemic of wife-on-husband abuse—as individual batterers rationalize their behavior by saying that the violence was reciprocal. Additionally, MRA groups’ predictions of future violence by fed-up men wronged by the family-law system seem an obvious additional correlation, with the threat of violence seemingly intended to intimidate a community, like a fearful spouse, into compliance.
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11-6-2009 11:36 PM
tietsort
I am a father's rights activist. (Bizarre Fringe according to you)

I disagree with your post and comment above. You lump all father's rights/ men's rights activists together and label them violent, or "potentially violent." (Mind Crime?)

I can go much further in depth and give supporting evidence as to who commits the most crimes against children. Care to give the correct answer?

I am pro-father, therefore a men's rights activist. Not all fathers are violent. Not all men are violent. The violence should be handled on a case by case basis. But the playing field should be level to begin with and then make decisions and assumptions based upon all things being equal.

The title of ...
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11-7-2009 6:21 AM
blueridge
See the study about Women Who Kill. Female violence is understated due to bias and "social projections" that are untrue, just like the comments above:

It's clear that many interpretations about female violence are framed by social projections about what women are supposed to be like, rather than on what they really are like, and there's little acknowledgment of how changing social conditions affect personality. During the 1970s, however, after women were "liberated," there was a surge in violent crime by women. They may not go on a rampage killing, but the lower visibility of their crim...
11-7-2009 6:32 AM
blueridge
And this is a real eye-opener, the list of stories about "women on men" crimes in just one state!
11-8-2009 11:40 AM
Lexica
tietsort said:

I am a father's rights activist. (Bizarre Fringe according to you)

I disagree with your post and comment above. You lump all father's rights/ men's rights activists together and label them violent, or "potentially violent."

Your last sentence in your coment is…
Reading comprehension FAIL. Or maybe it's just your understanding of how Clipmarks works that's failing here.

I did not write a "post", I clipped an article from a web page. The article was written by Judy Berman, as you could have seen if you had bothered to click through to the original. I clipped the article because I thought it was interesti...
11-8-2009 11:41 AM
Lexica
tietsort said:

rbbsh
Disemvoweled for rudeness.
11-8-2009 11:45 AM
Lexica
blueridge, did you even read the part I clipped?
As for MRAs' accusations, inspired by deeply flawed studies, that men and women are equally likely to commit domestic abuse, well, the numbers speak for themselves: "While some men certainly are victims of female domestic violence, advocates say the number is closer to 3 percent to 4 percent, rather than the 45 percent to 50 percent RADAR claims."
Because you clearly didn't click through to the article being discussed, which addresses the shoddy nature of the research RADAR cites and the way they cherry-pick statistics.
11-8-2009 12:00 PM
Spiritualmonkey
Wait, male commenters are arguing that female-on-male violence runs about the same frequency as male-on-female violence?

Ask John Perkins.

Ask Marc MacYoung.

Ask Sanford Strong.

Ask Gavin De Becker.

Ask those who deal with violence, the consequences thereof. Ask the guys who are teaching people who to protect themselves from...
11-8-2009 9:26 PM
debbyski
Men arise! Throw off your chains! Don't you understand, mister, you are royalty and God has chosen you to be priest of your home?
Tony Evans
11-8-2009 9:32 PM
debbyski
Lexi,
First Blueridge feels he has to "hit" before being "hit on" in a gay bar and now he feels women might actually "hit" just as often as get "hit on". Go figure.
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