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1-22-2006 3:56 PM
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ycc2106 says:
Clipmarks can be used in many ways, this is one of them:
A easy quick submit wish,ideas,features...!
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1-22-2006 3:59 PM
ycc2106
OK, I'll start:
I wondered if it was possible to have a checkbox for making clips public or privat, so we can easly change it.

PS: I am aware that sumbmitting this clip now, just after the new interface may appear...? But I just had it with the new interface...
1-22-2006 4:11 PM
ycc2106
EASILY, I mean change quickly from privat to public.
1-22-2006 6:48 PM
egoldstein
I think it's a great idea. We have received so many great ideas from from people over the past few days...we've got a lot of work ahead of us

But it would be cool to have a single Clipmark where people can post their suggestions and we can keep track of how things are going. So, for whatever it's worth, i like the idea!!

One that's on my personal list is to let the sorthing options be based on total (ex: total pops and/or total comments) in addition to being based on 'latest' as they are now.
1-22-2006 8:32 PM
djkraz
One that has quickly come to the top of my list is the ability to see a user's profile without having to first go to there page. I find myself constantly wanting to see the user's full size profile image as the small seems to just peek my curiosity.
1-22-2006 8:39 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Interesting wordplay with "peek" there, dj.
I think that if the images filled their current container, they would be just about right. Just large enough to make out some detail. Then have the option for considerably larger images on the profile page, for a closer look.
1-23-2006 11:41 AM
jklugman
CM design team--is there any chance that Clipmarks would put a cap on the number of clippings we can have in our collection (or, is there already a cap that I haven't reached yet)? A couple of days ago only the 100 most recent clips were showing up in everyone's collection, but now all 120+ of my clips are showing up. If so, are there any plans to let us download our clipmarks to our hard drives and manage, search, and tag them offline?

It goes without saying that I really appreciate all the work you guys are doing. Thanks!
1-23-2006 11:51 AM
egoldstein
jklugman, that's a great question (and points to something we overlooked). right now, when you have all 3 sorting options turned on (posted, popped and commented) at the top of the results, you get the most recent 100 clipmarks matching your query. If you just check the first option for sorting by date posted, you get the most recent 500.

The same is currently true for "mine". What we overlooked is that we need to take the limit off for "mine" so that you can access all of your clipmarks for any query at all times. We'll get to that this week.

Thanks for pointing it out to us. I hope this explanation was clear. If not let me know and give it another try.
1-23-2006 12:00 PM
jklugman
Hey Eric, I see what you're talking about--thanks so much for the quick response. But in the future, where Clipmarks is gaining more and more clippers, who clip more and more stuff over time, won't there be a point where you'll have to say, "Enough! We're only going to save the x most recent of your clips, and anything older than that is going to be deleted"? I know nothing about programming or data storage, but I'm curious.--Josh
1-23-2006 12:05 PM
egoldstein
I can't say for sure, but i highly doubt that. And if we ever did, we would certainly have a solution in place for you to back up your Clipmarks either online or locally. Being able to create a backup of your Clipmarks locally is something we're planning on offering very soon anyway.
1-23-2006 12:15 PM
welhitamy
Backup would be great.
1-24-2006 1:15 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Put the "Follow this Clip" button in the Public Clipmarks pane.
1-24-2006 1:20 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Or maybe the right pane would be better. Yeah, I realize now that it wouldn't work in the middle pane.
1-24-2006 1:30 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I discovered a conflict between Clipmarks and Adblock using Filerset.G

Users, for now, need to whitelist Clipmarks for everything to display properly.
1-24-2006 11:25 PM
Wordhewer

I thought I had posted this before....

I've looked everywhere and can't figure out how to add a clipster to my ClipperRoll.

And is it still possible to check "chatter I'm in", to find possible responses to your postings?

1-24-2006 11:34 PM
Godfrey Daniel
It may be due to the problem I mentioned above your comment. Unfortunately chatter I'm in got killed. I miss it too. No time right now. Hope this helps.
1-24-2006 11:35 PM
djkraz
Wordhewer, I just finished uploading a new version of the site that I believe will fix the add to ClipperRoll issue you are experiencing. Many thanks go out to Godfrey Daniel for discovering a conflict with Adblock and the name of our add to ClipperRoll image.

As for the "chatter I'm in", we have also just solved that issue. If you reload the navigator, you will see a new button in your left side pane called "My History"... In there you can choose "Clipmarks I commented on" for a list of all Clipmarks that you have commented on sorted in the same way as all other lists.
1-24-2006 11:37 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Just checked it. Awesome.!
Thanks Eric!
1-24-2006 11:47 PM
djkraz
Actually, that was me, Derek, but that's ok, I've been called worse things than Eric. Now that i'm getting a few hours of sleep again, I'm going to make an effort to get involved with our users more. We are actively working on a clipmarks message/bulletin board for our users to create real conversations with us and for us to better manage user requests. Until then, this Clipmark will serve just fine. BTW, great idea ycc2106!

Anyway, keep the comments coming!
1-25-2006 5:17 AM
ycc2106
Thanks! It's a bit like a forum too, isn't it? We should try to find more ideas that takes advantage of this.
1-25-2006 12:42 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Very embarrassing. I was in a rush and totally distracted. I had just got email from Eric about the coming upgrade and my discovery of the Adblock conflict. Didn't even look to see who wrote the comment. Saw the subject and my name in it and jumped to conclusions.
Sorry about that Derek. Major props to you for the improvements.
1-25-2006 1:56 PM
djkraz
Don't be embarrassed, I totally understand.

Did the upload fix everyone's problems regarding add to clipperroll?
1-27-2006 1:21 PM
Wordhewer

Derek, thanks for the reply and the hard work from all of you!

1-28-2006 6:51 AM
ycc2106
hmm, this was supposed to be for sumitting ideas..but this also may mean that people need an easy way to communicate.
Good we've noticed this.
Now what can be done?
1-29-2006 10:29 PM
Wordhewer

"Ideas" it is, then.

- This is what I've noticed about tags: it'snecessary to match tags _concisely_ in order to get a hit. Would it be possible to fuzzy-up the tag-search algorithm to match parts of tags, and also words that appear in the body of a remark? For example, "Canadian election" won't be found by a tag search on "Canadian" or "election", unless I'm mistaken.

- I wonder whether the (admittedly overworked) developers could put together a FAQ on effective searching. There may even be editorial types in the community who will collaborate on it. Maybe even for nothing.

Any thoughts on the above?

// Word //
1-29-2006 10:46 PM
egoldstein
Love the idea of an FAQ on effective searching! We'll work on that tomorrow.

2 real quick things for the moment:

1) you can do "or" searches by separating tags with commas. So, a search for "google, yahoo" would return Clipmarks that have at least one of those tags.

2) you can do "and" searches by seperating tags with the word 'and'. So a search for "google and yahoo" would return Clipmarks that have both of those tags.

more in the faq we'll put together...great suggestion Wordhewer.
1-29-2006 10:48 PM
djkraz
Thanks for the input, it is always appreciated.

As you can imagine, we have spent a lot of time debating how search should work. At one time, it was a very "fuzzy" algorithm, but we decided to change it for many reasons. The biggest reason being that we began to allow boolean and wildcard searches. For example, you can use "and", "or" and "not" to include/exclude more or less results. At the same time, we implemented wild cards. You can use an * to match 0 or more of any character and ? to match 1 of any character.

Wordhewer, in your example, you could search for "* election" or "canadian *" and it would return items with the tag "canadian election".
1-29-2006 10:51 PM
guy
new to CMs-- simple question... is there a spell check for comments... rather be right than wrong-
1-29-2006 11:05 PM
djkraz
Unfortunetely, we don't have one yet. Someday we do plan on adding one, but it could be a while.
1-29-2006 11:26 PM
Godfrey Daniel
1-31-2006 12:37 AM
rmowery
Is there any chance of the Clipmarks doing a search on a link one is posting to the Publc forum to see if that link has already been posted by someone else? The system should tell the user that the link already exists and offer to allow them to post private or go to the same link and add comments.
This would keep duplicate clips of the URL's from occuring. I realize someone might clip a specific chunk from an URL and being posting about that as opposed to an entire URL, so there has to be a way to allow the clipper to know what is out there before making public.

1-31-2006 12:38 AM
rmowery
In terms of spell checking and other writing capabiliites. Have you all talked with the Writely folks to find out about leveraging each others great technologies? I think it would be a great mashup...
1-31-2006 3:32 AM
Djiezes
* I also think a Backup option (to XML?,RDF?) and some kind of centralized Forum would be great.
* And a more direct way to add Clippers to your ClipperRoll.
* And maybe i'm alone in this, but what about a 'Stumble' button (which let's you stumble in a specific tag-category) and/or a export-option to del.icio.us bookmarks (and/or other social bookmark services)
* What I also would love is some kind of extension which resembles Scrapbook; so you could annotate, comment on clipmarks, highlight stuff ... (something which resembles mystickies or diigo?)

Just some ideas...
1-31-2006 3:52 AM
Godfrey Daniel
Wow. The good ones come in bunches.
1-31-2006 8:43 AM
egoldstein
Great ideas!! I don't think there is one that we don't plan on offering (haven't thought about the 'stumble' idea suggested by Djiezes). We just need to meet and try to prioritize them all. We have another update coming this week and after that we'll once again take a 10,000 foot perspective and try to make some good decisions about next steps.

Keep the coming
1-31-2006 3:07 PM
Godfrey Daniel
"take a 10,000 foot perspective"

Man, I love that.
1-31-2006 3:45 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Eric, I just thought of one I keep forgetting to post.

It would be better, me thinks, if the "comment", "pop" icons, and clipper name didn't replace the original clipper's remarks in the center pane.
1-31-2006 3:48 PM
egoldstein
Interesting. Thing is, we want to make sure that people know why the Clipmark is where it is in the list. By showing that action and the person who took it, we're doing that. Any thougths on another way to accomplish that while still leaving in the clipper's remarks?
1-31-2006 3:54 PM
Godfrey Daniel
No, sorry, I wasn't suggesting ellimination, ratther changing the placement location.
1-31-2006 3:57 PM
egoldstein
Totally would be open to it if i could think of a good place....thoughts?
1-31-2006 4:20 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Well, you didn't like my idea of putting the tags next to clipper name and time, so how about there?
1-31-2006 7:59 PM
egoldstein
We're playing around with some ideas but so far we're not seeing how it can all fit without becoming overly cluttered.

Personally i want to make the background color for each Clipmark in the list match the activity that caused it to be in the list.

For example, if the Clipmark is there because it was recently commented on, the backgound color would be red...if it was popped, yellow....and posted, blue.

The guys killed that idea. Anyone feeling it or do i have the eyes of a 4th grader? djkraz, i already know your opinion so stay out of it
1-31-2006 10:55 PM
rmowery
drag and drop of clips from public into private tab. So if there is something I find informative or useful in the Public tab, I should be able to drag that into my private tab without having to pop it or comment on it. Perhaps I just want it as reference.

Speaking of references.....
Would be also cool to be able to mark off specific clips on file and have it auto generate a REFERENCE Page (maybe in MLA format) for those tagged items. Again, this is where I see it as a useful research type of tool.
1-31-2006 11:34 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I like your idea, Eric, especially if the colors are right and subtle. It could really add some color to the place. (It's my understanding that the ladies love that.)

By the way, Eric, I'm concerned that you may have taken offense at this.

Na, it ain't like that. To quote an ancient beer commercial, "I love you, Man!"
2-1-2006 12:34 AM
egoldstein
Godfrey, that is freaking hilarious. I hadn't seen that before, but definitely not offended. Though my wife didn't think it was so funny when i suggested that she refer to me as "guru goldstein"

man i want the colored backgound colors in the middle column. my objective for tomorrow is to beg for a 3 day test and see how it goes.

rmowery, both of those ideas are on the list. scary how long the list is!

2-1-2006 5:20 AM
Djiezes
What about adding the extra information to some kind of "hover" function. So that when you hover the clipmark a popup appears with all the extra information you want/need?
Second, what about making the info in the hoverpopup totally adjustable so that anyone can chose what appears in there. Thirdly, what about the option to switch of the hoverfunction (which may result in a more lightweight approach)

This would keep the interface clutterfree, and keep everybody happy.

Another possible option is to add the information to a separate tab at the left column.
2-3-2006 6:09 PM
Kore7
What about altering the focus behavior of the navigator page to default to the search field? Then as soon as you load Clipmarks, just type a tag, hit return, and BAM...instant results.

On a related point, what about adding some GMail-like AJAX keyboard shortcuts? "Up-arrow" and "Down-arrow" to navigate the middle column would be awfully nice. "B" for "Browse all", "T" for "Top 100 tags", "H" for "History", "M" for "Mine", etc.

"/" for instant search would be nice.

Whaddya think?
2-3-2006 6:25 PM
funana
"Anyone feeling it or do i have the eyes of a 4th grader?"

Exactly! why not? are the eyes of a 4th grader something bad?
I like your idea. Make it soft & light and it will be fine I guess. Just my 2 cents... give it a chance for three days and we'll see
2-7-2006 12:13 PM
egoldstein
Djiezes: What info are you thinking of for the hover over idea?

Kore7: I totally like you idea of keyboard shortcuts. honestly wasn't on my list, but it's being added to the top...thanks.

funana: thanks for the support. we have a pretty major upgrade coming thursday. it won't include the background color idea i had...but after we see how that goes maybe we'll experiment for a few days and see what you guys think.
2-7-2006 1:00 PM
Djiezes
"Djiezes: What info are you thinking of for the hover over idea?"
Well, I was talking about Godfrey Daniel's comment:

"It would
be better, me thinks, if the "comment", "pop" icons, and clipper name
didn't replace the original clipper's remarks in the center pane."
That way you wouldn't lose the clipper's remarks when the clip gets popped or commented.

And possibly also a direct link to the user's profile:

One that has quickly come to the top of my list is the ability to see a
user's profile without having to first go to there page. I find myself
constantly wanting to see the user's full size profile image as the
small seems to just peek m...
2-9-2006 8:18 AM
djkraz
Hey everyone, check out the new and improved site! Just finished uploading about 30 seconds ago, so if you don't see it, press the refresh button or press F5. Among many other improvements, we now have a "Hot Now" and a "Clipboard" tab, check them out and let us know what you think...
2-9-2006 8:22 AM
egoldstein
I just posted an overview of what's new on our blog. Here's a link to the post: http://clipmarks.blogs.com/clipmarks/2006/02/web_site_update.html
2-9-2006 9:53 AM
rmowery
The new site is Great!!!!
2-9-2006 9:58 AM
egoldstein
thank you rmowery...feeling content with it for the first time! i think we might actually just enjoy it for a day and get back to development tomorrow
2-9-2006 10:02 AM
Djiezes
I agree, concur and second that. It's great.
I love to see it grow and expand so quickly.
Congrats and do lay back, relax, enjoy it for some time.
2-9-2006 12:57 PM
rmowery
How are people embedding the qoutes in the grey (like Dijezes and Godfrey did)? Is this a clipmarks feature?
2-9-2006 12:59 PM
egoldstein
rmowery...you can do that if you add your comment from the clipmark permalink page (click the Clipmark title to go there). We'll be adding that to the right-side panel too very soon so you'll be able to do it directly from here.
2-11-2006 12:34 PM
funana
How are people embedding the qoutes in the grey (like Dijezes and Godfrey did)? Is this a clipmarks feature?
You can use BBcodes like [ quote ] [/ quote ] or [ b ] [/ b ].
Hmmm something changed... Nice! The "Clippers" list is a very good feature.
2-11-2006 12:55 PM
rmowery
Thanks. I got it.
Another idea --- somewhere in the clip a LANGUAGE tag or Flag should be visible and maybe even allow catagorizing by language of a clip. Am icon flag of the country could be visible. Be even cool to to have a button for clips that are in other languages, such when clicked opens and passes the clip to a language translator

It would be good to hear from the Inernational community on this. Maybe the clipmarks team already has heard...

Just my two cents.
2-11-2006 12:57 PM
skwirlinator
I like translators!
2-13-2006 12:39 PM
djkraz
FYI: You can now use ctrl with your arrow keys to navigate the list of clips in the middle column. Ctrl+down = next clip, ctrl+up = previous clip, ctrl+right = next page, ctrl+left = previous page. We hope to add many more keyboard shortcuts in the near future.
2-13-2006 1:26 PM
ycc2106
GREAT KAYBOARD NAVIGATION!8)
You can use BBcodes like [ quote ] [/ quote ] or [ b ] [/ b ].
Testing:
[color=darkblue]testing[/color][color=blue] bbcode[/color][color=green], maybe [/color][color=brown]there[/color] [color=darkred]could [/color][color=red]be and[/color] [color=orange]editor?[/color]
Sometimes I would like to have a privat conversation...
2-13-2006 1:26 PM
ycc2106
oh no colors
2-13-2006 1:30 PM
skwirlinator
[blue]Blue[/blue]
2-13-2006 1:45 PM
ycc2106
Idea. default preference settings:
ex * allways load page with 'live'...
* clip public as default
* private chat? (comment)
2-13-2006 1:55 PM
ycc2106
-tag editor? I have lot of identique tags plural and singular like tool and tools
-place to put quick access clips? like the follow but for a clip
2-13-2006 2:02 PM
ycc2106
HELP!
I thought of clipping my self a list of tools for quick access...
and I tryied to clip a bbcode editor but each time I try to access it my browser crashes. so I can't even delet it...
and as it was a test I clipped it privately.
2-13-2006 5:34 PM
egoldstein
ycc2106 -

no colors: somewhat concerned that it turns the comments into a rainbow of colors and lessens the emphasis on the meaning of the words themselves. not sure i expressed that right, but do you know what i'm saying?

clip public as default: shoudl be done today (if not, tomorrow) as a profile setting

private chat: something we are very focused on right now. without question, we'll have something in the next couple of weeks. just not sure exactly what it will be yet.

tag editor: not sure what you have in mind.

place to put quick access clips? like the follow but for a clip: that is what 'popping' a clipmark is for. we feel that if it's worth keeping an eye on, it deserves ...
2-13-2006 5:40 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Eric, I was wondering about the Top Clippers ranking method. Can't figure it out. You remain at the top. Dirty, perhaps the most prolific clipper, is near the bottom. How is this "ranking" determined?
2-13-2006 5:46 PM
egoldstein
Godfrey, if i told you i'd have to kill you That is top-secret classified information created by the CIA...they are never wrong, so don't question it!!!

Seriously, what i will say, is that it's not based solely on quantity of clipmarks...it's much more dependent on the reaction that a person's clipmarks get from the community. I'll try to clip some less interesting things for now on so that i drop in the rankings (truth be told, Gretzky's wife has major money on me to remain there throughout february).
2-13-2006 6:22 PM
Godfrey Daniel
ok. Still can't figure it.

clipblog. 14th on the list. 14 clips, receiving 9 comments, 4 pops.

dirty2feet. 9th from the bottom. Over 100 clips (didn't count beyond that). way more comments, way more pops.

I don't want to die, don't want the Getskys to lose more money, and it's not really important to me, but I can usually figure these things out, and now I'm stumped.
2-13-2006 6:27 PM
egoldstein
man, we must be good

it's an advanced algorithm nearly as complex and powerful as google's...yeah right!!!
2-13-2006 6:30 PM
dirty2feet
radio buttons
believe me
tiny red/green/yellow/blue/purple flashing radio buttons
teehee
2-13-2006 6:30 PM
ycc2106
'place to put quick access clips? like the follow but for a clip: that is what 'popping' a clipmark is for. we feel that if it's worth keeping an eye on, it deserves a pop. you can then access the clipmarks you have popped in your clipboard. we are working on ways to make that more prominent.'

I was thinking something like the stars in Google groups, just something private as reminder to look back.
2-13-2006 6:31 PM
ycc2106
So what happens to a clip I can't delete nor view? (see higher bbcode editor clip)
2-13-2006 6:32 PM
egoldstein
well, that really should never happen. if it ever does, we'll gladly delete it for you. hopefully that's the last time.
2-13-2006 6:34 PM
ycc2106
well it has happened,
2-13-2006 6:36 PM
ycc2106
looking fawards for the private clips!
2-15-2006 11:54 AM
Djiezes
What about some kind of live, dynamic Clipmarks Sidebar in Firefox which would let you
- drag & drop selections
- rearrange/delete some stuff you clipped
- highlight what's in there
- add some kind of comment (like the inline and block comments in Scrapbook)

2-15-2006 12:01 PM
ycc2106
Wow, THAT would be something! I may need a powerfull-er computer...

drag&drop is difficult to get working in different browsers, the ones I've seem were for IE.

I was thinking about clipmarks tag system which I foud good as long as you don't have too many, but I tend to tag like at delicious with lots of tags... Nobody has found a realy easy system yet.
2-15-2006 2:27 PM
ycc2106
Is there a way I could collect bit and pieces here there slowly?
and several collections? I would like to do that.
2-15-2006 4:32 PM
ycc2106
What will happen to old clips?
2-15-2006 4:36 PM
egoldstein
what do you mean "what will happen to old clips"?
2-15-2006 4:45 PM
ycc2106
yes your not going to keep them for every will you?
also I'd like to have 'top tags' as default not clippers, is there a reason why it's clippers?
2-15-2006 4:48 PM
egoldstein
it's clippers because we had to choose one over the other and we all really liked clippers better (kind of like having bloggers you like best as a way to manage blogs). but, no question it should be a profile setting s.o you can choose the default for yourself. that's something we'll likely work on pretty soon
2-15-2006 5:18 PM
dirty2feet
2-16-2006 6:14 AM
ycc2106
IDEA:
Maybe it would be nice if we could see how many people are online?
2-16-2006 6:53 AM
canbebesi
I wish I had seen this before posting this: http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/D65EE5A4-9A69-46CA-8EBB-7216CE3C5718/
2-16-2006 7:39 PM
ycc2106
Thanks for the clip! I think this one is too long so let's move to yours.
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