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6-23-2008 10:58 PM237 views
AtlLiberal says:
Maybe if certain Muslims tempered their over the top outrage over perceived insults and reined in their more radical leaders others would view them differently. Just a thought.
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6-24-2008 12:38 AM
jmjoness
Agreed. At least they were caught.
6-24-2008 9:52 AM
tabsey
Extremist religions are in all corners of the globe. How tolerant are the neo-cons? The Catholics? The Satan worshippers? The Muslim leaders have the advantage of working with populations denied education, as do other religions. Which people do the missionaries work with? People denied education - missionaries fill in with their distorted facts as education.
6-24-2008 10:35 AM
AtlLiberal
Extremist religions are in all corners of the globe. How tolerant are the neo-cons? The Catholics? The Satan worshippers?
Intolerance is certainly a natural outcome of organized religion yet most forms of intolerance manifest themselves in much more benign outlets (although exception occur as exemplified in certain religious hate groups here and abroad). One small correction, I don't think neocons can be considered religious in nature though many do lean towards a more rigid religious dogma. And Satan worshipers? The religious rights statistics set aside, I don't think that the few that there are really make much of a difference. Unless you want to group Christians into that ...
6-24-2008 12:16 PM
jmjoness
I agree this is the case with with alot of the religous, but I don't care for generalizations. Not every missionary is hell bent on indoctrinating and propaganda, some simply want to help.
6-24-2008 12:22 PM
jamesgrimes
jmjoness, exactly. Not all religions want to kill non-believers. Not all religions tell its believers that if a person can't be converted into islam, that they are to be killed. Islam is the only religion that I know of that does that.
6-24-2008 12:29 PM
ratilfar
Oh really? I'll have to ask the Aztecs about that...
6-24-2008 12:41 PM
AtlLiberal
Not every missionary is hell bent on indoctrinating and propaganda, some simply want to help.
I'm sure that's true. Yet it doesn't change the fact that the most emphasis used by Organized Religion (the institutions) is on lower socio-economic segments of the population. In other words, that's where they get the most bank for the buck.

Not all religions want to kill non-believers. Not all religions tell
its believers that if a person can't be converted into islam, that they
are to be killed. Islam is the only religion that I know of that does
that.
These days that appears to be the case but we can't simply brush aside the entire history of religion and ignore...
6-24-2008 2:12 PM
jmjoness
I'll have to ask the Aztecs about that...
If you want to display your ignorance of history then be my guest. Google the name "Cortez", you'll notice that he wasn't a missionary.
6-24-2008 2:17 PM
jmjoness
I'm sure that's true. Yet it doesn't change the fact that the most
emphasis used by Organized Religion (the institutions) is on lower
socio-economic segments of the population. In other words, that's where
they get the most bank for the buck.
Oh don't get me wrong, I certainly agree that organized religion has taken advantage of the lower classes. I'm definitely not here to defend oraganized religion. Most missionaries are from organized religions, but not all of them are, and even some of those who are do not take advantage. That's the only point I was making, it seems a shame to me that the ones who do good are given a bad reputation because of what others are doing.
6-24-2008 2:50 PM
AtlLiberal
If you want to display your ignorance of history then be my guest.
Google the name "Cortez", you'll notice that he wasn't a missionary.
True. Yet even if the main reason for his mission was the search for land and treasure, his benefactors were at the same time interested in spreading Christianity to the "savages" they encountered. In fact, much of the capital for these enterprises came from the Church to benefit it's coffers. And while Cortez's role may not have been solely religious in nature, religion was enmeshed so in the fabric of this endeavor as to be difficult to untangle.

That's the only point I was making, it seems a shame to me that the
ones who do good are...
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