You know in the old testament God was NASTY now he is chillin

Kinda defeats the idea of an eternal perfect god ...

but in the future hell fire will consome the earth

Which is why its very important to keep sharp objects and items that go BOOM away from religious nuts who want to self fulfill their mystical prophecies.

he gave us edan we messed up

Even taking the story literally I would argue that no one "messed up" Eden. An all knowing god (that means he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen) puts an "off limits" item in mankinds living space along with a being who's sole purpose is to tempt mankind away from god. It w...

You know in the old testament God was NASTY now he is chillin

Kinda defeats the idea of an eternal perfect god ...

but in the future hell fire will consome the earth

Which is why its very important to keep sharp objects and items that go BOOM away from religious nuts who want to self fulfill their mystical prophecies.

he gave us edan we messed up

Even taking the story literally I would argue that no one "messed up" Eden. An all knowing god (that means he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen) puts an "off limits" item in mankinds living space along with a being who's sole purpose is to tempt mankind away from god. It was a trap from the get-go. To claim that mankind caused this is as likely as claiming an adult putting a loaded gun in a room full of children is not responsible for any bad outcome. Remember, mankind was "innocent" until eating of the fruit, so they had very little comprehension of right and wrong.

If you are going to believe the nonesense then at least follow the logic of the story.

we took religion and ten commendments and revised and its only now we see the fall of man.

Actually, mankind has been making great strides IN SPITE OF RELIGION and its tendancy to block any advances that challenges its dogma. The ten commandments are a shortened version of the Codes of Hammurabi. Ironic that every culture and religion has created those same basic codes of morality because they are conducive to a successful society.

when he is done his is gonna make satan look like an angel

Oh, "God" has already accomplished that ...now, I dare you to show me how many people that Satan was responsible for killing in the bible ...

read revelations and freak out

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ortcloud i read the other stuff to umm yeah a about satan killing,..... satan kills if god lets him cause satan knows that his ass can and will be beat if he just has a party one day (just dilibreatly kills) and as for God being nasty okay God has bad days when he leaves to go to the bathroom only to turn around and see us do some stupide shit, he kills people off why? Cuz hes annoyed ( play the sims on auto. and you'll want to kill them off to)....plus didnt i say we stole the bible and revised it....used the ten commendments etc. etc. hmmmmm. what i ment in the fall of man was ethically and that excludes ( all old jewish law books: Leviticus etc Judges etc.....)..about satan looking like ...

ortcloud i read the other stuff to umm yeah a about satan killing,..... satan kills if god lets him cause satan knows that his ass can and will be beat if he just has a party one day (just dilibreatly kills) and as for God being nasty okay God has bad days when he leaves to go to the bathroom only to turn around and see us do some stupide shit, he kills people off why? Cuz hes annoyed ( play the sims on auto. and you'll want to kill them off to)....plus didnt i say we stole the bible and revised it....used the ten commendments etc. etc. hmmmmm. what i ment in the fall of man was ethically and that excludes ( all old jewish law books: Leviticus etc Judges etc.....)..about satan looking like an angel satan was lucifer an angel what i ment by that was when god "f's up earth and satan (who is refered to as the beast).....With how god enacts his wrath compared to how satan will one day RULE im mean Literally ....Gods destruction will make what satan way of destruction look pitiful.
What i'm saying is God doesnt mess with free will like humans do but when he is livid he will i mean it will rip shit in half.... you win however with the whole garden of eden thingy......but humans knew little of right and wrong stupide excuse god gave us a choice like a russain mafia boss one will keep up happy other will give you satifaction,contrntment and dignity..... and we were coerced by satan who god warned about vaguely but let loose carelessly....for what else but for personal amusment of course he knew how wed fk up and need a do over now about the whole thing on eternal perfect god perfection and god hmmm since he "created earth"he is perfection hmmmmm now look at what you have done grrrrr now i have carpel tunnel grrrrrrrr

mc89, I'm not sure if you are having one on, or if you are really that unaware of how ridiculous your position is? You seem to chastise me for having conclusions and beliefs based on evidence, proof, knowledge, and understanding while you choose to have your beliefs based upon mythology, philosophy, prophecy, and unproven or even unsubstantiated theory.

In other words, as I've always said, believers believe only because they want to believe - that they cannot face the fact what they think they know as truth is actually fiction. You have openly stated that you choose delusion over reality.

he is called the antichrist

I fear the antichrist about as much as I fear Beowulf's Grend...

mc89, I'm not sure if you are having one on, or if you are really that unaware of how ridiculous your position is? You seem to chastise me for having conclusions and beliefs based on evidence, proof, knowledge, and understanding while you choose to have your beliefs based upon mythology, philosophy, prophecy, and unproven or even unsubstantiated theory.

In other words, as I've always said, believers believe only because they want to believe - that they cannot face the fact what they think they know as truth is actually fiction. You have openly stated that you choose delusion over reality.

he is called the antichrist

I fear the antichrist about as much as I fear Beowulf's Grendal, Spiderman's arch-enemy, the Green Goblin, or the dinosaurs from Jurrasic Park. Since the bible and the multiple religions that have sprouted up around it are all completely manmade, then I rather doubt anyone will be seeing the antichrist popping up.

satan kills if god lets him

So by your own fairy tale, God is ultimately responsible. I'm guessing you didn't get the point.

he kills people off why? Cuz hes annoyed

There goes that all-loving, all-caring, all-merciful image again. Sounds more like a petulant child - or a description o a completely immoral and human dictator who's actions are based upon emotional whim.

now look at what you have done grrrrr now i have carpel tunnel

I am sorry. I was really shooting for you to excercise your reasoning a bit more than your wrists. When you start to look at the stories of religion without the veil of blind belief you quickly see how little sense they really make. When you quit giving religion a free ride on its explanations and actually demand honesty in truth you quickly realize how thin the illusion really is.

Just to clear things up a bit god was never super kind ever never(christ was and is the one who was sacrificed in order that he may say to god(forever til the end times,..." forgive them father for they donnot know what they do"). and as for the antichrist the bible is not the only source for this antichrist in fact in one of necrodemus's quartrines he write about how there shall be 3 antichrist 1st neopoleon 2nd hitler and the third is yet to come ... (he describes this vaguely(but were decifered) but he not the only one) As for Satan being able to wreck havoc did you ever read the story of Joab (or jobe) where god lets satan wreck havoc on job but satan couldn't kill him this was all ove...

Just to clear things up a bit god was never super kind ever never(christ was and is the one who was sacrificed in order that he may say to god(forever til the end times,..." forgive them father for they donnot know what they do"). and as for the antichrist the bible is not the only source for this antichrist in fact in one of necrodemus's quartrines he write about how there shall be 3 antichrist 1st neopoleon 2nd hitler and the third is yet to come ... (he describes this vaguely(but were decifered) but he not the only one) As for Satan being able to wreck havoc did you ever read the story of Joab (or jobe) where god lets satan wreck havoc on job but satan couldn't kill him this was all over a bet on wether or not Job would deviate from god. God has always been jealous,vicious and at time other pretty christians would argue differently...(saying that he was a saint blah blah blah) But then again god would not ever give you more than you can handle. I know that people dont embrace nor love what they cannot feel, touch and use to there own benefit....but still i believe both the church(the 3 sides being ..Cath,Prot. and Uni.) and the Asthiest should respect each other. I know the church has done great bad(crusades, abused of power, assiciation with holocuast etc.,stealing of text.pludering and destruction of nations and contaminating politics) so have the atheist (prosecution of those who know the text, carry and or read it, Communisim~slaughting of those who refuse to relieve self of religion etc.Crazy ass ACLU(who almost went crazy over virgin mary image on personal property and almost revising pre-amble) in all both sides have done bad my job is not to impose my religion on you. I can only discuss it with you. As for the bible it self the bible has been revised so many damn times no one knows what really happened becuase when the fall of rome happened to the great split and to the time of Martin luther changing vanaculur and king james revising ...

it could of been changed well over 10-20 time plus the bible does not inculde everything there is to know in fact if you look at the torah and the bible you'd be shocked at the differences as were the muslims were when they created their quran now all these text are different and carry diferent truths because there were debatables and other texts like apocrophils, dead sea scrolls etc... I donot mind that you think god is unreal or that there isnt a superior power out there but since the dawn of time man has always tought of a super being(s) just becuase you like facts doesnt mean i have to , just becuase you do not believe what is unreal, nontangiable and unfactual that i must agree...... m...

it could of been changed well over 10-20 time plus the bible does not inculde everything there is to know in fact if you look at the torah and the bible you'd be shocked at the differences as were the muslims were when they created their quran now all these text are different and carry diferent truths because there were debatables and other texts like apocrophils, dead sea scrolls etc... I donot mind that you think god is unreal or that there isnt a superior power out there but since the dawn of time man has always tought of a super being(s) just becuase you like facts doesnt mean i have to , just becuase you do not believe what is unreal, nontangiable and unfactual that i must agree...... my argument was about how there is an inevitable end and how we(and satan) will be the cause of it why cause we aren't good, fair , perfect, nor in the least selfless...... we sin, fight, kill etc. .....Why because we cannnot tolerate nor can we ever concieve of being wrong or understanding why ....we cannot make it all perfect again....

have you ever heard of a thing called bible codes
In the 1990s, a new way to prophetically interpret the Bible was found. Proposed by Eliyahu Rips, it was said that words and short phrases were hidden in the Hebrew Bible as skip-letter sequences (every 30th letter, for example). The mathematical probability for several coded words which are related to occur within the same area of the Bible was calculated to be enormously greater than chance, though mathematicians with formal training in statistical analysis place this figure at 1:2. A comprehensive explanation of how this phenomenon can occur naturally was later published in 1999 by Brendan McKay et al., although the Bible code continues t...

have you ever heard of a thing called bible codes
In the 1990s, a new way to prophetically interpret the Bible was found. Proposed by Eliyahu Rips, it was said that words and short phrases were hidden in the Hebrew Bible as skip-letter sequences (every 30th letter, for example). The mathematical probability for several coded words which are related to occur within the same area of the Bible was calculated to be enormously greater than chance, though mathematicians with formal training in statistical analysis place this figure at 1:2. A comprehensive explanation of how this phenomenon can occur naturally was later published in 1999 by Brendan McKay et al., although the Bible code continues to be explored and debated.

Also i'd like to add that when several other books(like normal modern day lit.) were put through the same rigorous decifering process these book were able to
have names of certain icons and assinations of some icons and world events.......

Just to clear things up a bit ... christ was and is the one who was sacrificed in order that he may
say to god ...

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"

Again, you are altering the theme of an eternal god, which is fine by me - I am merely showing how people cherry pick religion to fit their own religious desires. But the source of your knowledge plainly states that god and christ are one and the same. To say that god was never "super kind" and christ is the one that allo...

Just to clear things up a bit ... christ was and is the one who was sacrificed in order that he may
say to god ...

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"

Again, you are altering the theme of an eternal god, which is fine by me - I am merely showing how people cherry pick religion to fit their own religious desires. But the source of your knowledge plainly states that god and christ are one and the same. To say that god was never "super kind" and christ is the one that allowed people salvation to god inidicates two different entities - which not only goes against scripture saying god and christ are the same, but defeats the idea of there only being 1 god.

And "just to clear things up" and deal totally with reality here, mc89, there is absolutely zero evidence that Christ was anything special, let alone the son of god, outside of the bible. Don't you think it a little suspicious that all the miracles, all the stories of christ, all the goings on, that there is not one single contemporaneous secular historical document to support the divine events of Christ in the Bible?

In other words, no one of Christ's time found anything at all worthy or interesting enough to document. It was not till decades later that anything was written, all second hand, and with each later retelling the miracles and stories became even more fantastical and exaggerated.

And please, Nicodemus was a Pharisee and ruler that was impressed with Christ - you are talking about Nostradamus, who's prophecies are widely, and incorrectly, accepted as accurate. If you are gullible, then he is accurate.

As for the rest of your comments, again, practice some English structure because trying to hash my way through that long unbreaking mash of words is folly at best. Bible codes, Prophets, a mish mash of legends and myths, and I suppose UFO's and alien miracles are in there as well. The one uniting theme in them all? No proof. Simply a desire to believe because it simply sounds good.

Sorry, but your idea of truth is badly skewed. I would seriously encourage you to at least learn your own belief system. Your comments come out so jumbled and random that you simply come off as an uneducated fundy that believes anything relating to god - even those things that contradict one another. I'm afraid t...

As for the rest of your comments, again, practice some English structure because trying to hash my way through that long unbreaking mash of words is folly at best. Bible codes, Prophets, a mish mash of legends and myths, and I suppose UFO's and alien miracles are in there as well. The one uniting theme in them all? No proof. Simply a desire to believe because it simply sounds good.

Sorry, but your idea of truth is badly skewed. I would seriously encourage you to at least learn your own belief system. Your comments come out so jumbled and random that you simply come off as an uneducated fundy that believes anything relating to god - even those things that contradict one another. I'm afraid that what you are presenting argues more against religion than what I can hope to do in as many words.

See what religion does to people? It makes them disregard even learning their own beliefs because they are so high on simply jabbering about how true it all is regardless of what they are saying. And you want me to respect and accept people doing this? Maybe if they weren't trying to influence society to live by their demented values and rules - certainly not when they stick their nose into my life and demand I accept their mythology as real.

"more than 7 versions"

A bit of an understatement. There are literally thousands of various gods and goddesses created by mankind over the ages. Even going by the more Major religions of today you are still looking at a variety of 22 different gods/ideals and when you focus on Christianity you are looking at least 100 different translations of the same book - and that's just pointing out the ones in the English language. And then looking at only Christianity we find hundreds of differing denominations...

"more than 7 versions"

A bit of an understatement. There are literally thousands of various gods and goddesses created by mankind over the ages. Even going by the more Major religions of today you are still looking at a variety of 22 different gods/ideals and when you focus on Christianity you are looking at least 100 different translations of the same book - and that's just pointing out the ones in the English language. And then looking at only Christianity we find hundreds of differing denominations each claiming truth.

Each one of them claiming to be a truth and some of them claiming to be the only truth and most of them claiming that accepting anything but their truth will lead you to hell/eternal torment.

Every single religion filled with believers who fervently believe their religion and accept it as true.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that there are so many differing translations or ideas of religion? Kinda like everyone is just making the stuff up as they go along - following the belief that they are most comortable with or more indoctrinated into? And do you notice how cultural each religion is? Especially if you look at the world demographics prior to easy world travel.

I think this is one of the biggest damning bits of evidence that show mankinds ideas of god are all simply made up or hallucinated. What kind of god would allow all this confusion if a person's eternal soul were at stake? Don't you think that anyone seeking god would find god and come away with the same message on salvation?

Every religion has their fervent believers who only want to praise god, follow his word, and find salvation/heaven by being worthy - but they are damned for being in the wrong religion because god is silent ... or, just not there.

Ironically, an article describing my last points was just posted. An interesting read on the wide variety of churches.

this not fun, people are stupide as far as i know we will forever be changing,deleting adding and removing text

They are man's words. It's only natural that they would want to change them to reflect a shift in emotional and moral evolution as well as new knowledge gainted from science and discovery. They are also changed as people develop new ideas on what they think god should be like. It's called cherry picking. Keep the stuff you like, ignore the stuff you don't, and add or re-interpr...

Ironically, an article describing my last points was just posted. An interesting read on the wide variety of churches.

this not fun, people are stupide as far as i know we will forever be changing,deleting adding and removing text

They are man's words. It's only natural that they would want to change them to reflect a shift in emotional and moral evolution as well as new knowledge gainted from science and discovery. They are also changed as people develop new ideas on what they think god should be like. It's called cherry picking. Keep the stuff you like, ignore the stuff you don't, and add or re-interpret something if need be.

But again, this kinda goes against the idea of an eternal perfect god. Why would such a being need to change his word if its eternal and perfect (requiring no change).

If Christian religion is based upon the bible (there is nothing we "know" of god that did not come from the bible) then how can you even pretend to accept religion as truth wen the bible and its words are so obviously mistranslated, edited, altered, and corrupted?

how long will this fight last

So long as you keep making points that are blatently wrong and factually incorrect?

I never argued against mc89 being bright or not. I tried to point out the flaws of some of the things they said as well as complain about the overly sloppy grammar they were using. Earlier this person put importance on respect, yet doesn't respect anyone enough to provide an easily legible pros to present their points and comments.

Thus far mc89's points are identical to those you would find from most garden variety Christians - uneducated in their own religion and too stubborn/lazy/indoctrinated to question their own beliefs. "Satan is going to get us, God is great, and Jesus saves". They've also thrown in some Nostradamus, Bible math, and prophesy to appear more fluent with their subject ...

I never argued against mc89 being bright or not. I tried to point out the flaws of some of the things they said as well as complain about the overly sloppy grammar they were using. Earlier this person put importance on respect, yet doesn't respect anyone enough to provide an easily legible pros to present their points and comments.

Thus far mc89's points are identical to those you would find from most garden variety Christians - uneducated in their own religion and too stubborn/lazy/indoctrinated to question their own beliefs. "Satan is going to get us, God is great, and Jesus saves". They've also thrown in some Nostradamus, Bible math, and prophesy to appear more fluent with their subject but it has the opposite effect.

Knowing now that they are capable of presenting their comments in a more legible manner is a bit of an insult. But then again, that is the arrogance of religion. You never have to explain yourself so long as you just keep repeating the same dogmatic mantras over and over.

Not all christians are uneducated about the religion... In fact its just that they are to many view points that differ. As are result of this, seclusion of the churches have occurred. These churches wish not to believe in unifing with text and views because of the history of abuse. To begin with most christians do know the history of the church and why it has become the way it has (the missing books etc..) ...Now you ask me vaguely .. why would any one follow an adaptable religion... as to all things in life that are doubted, mystified and of course played with there is some truth to it k. And humans have an incessant whim to adjust things to their liking why cause we can do so.

As for ...

Not all christians are uneducated about the religion... In fact its just that they are to many view points that differ. As are result of this, seclusion of the churches have occurred. These churches wish not to believe in unifing with text and views because of the history of abuse. To begin with most christians do know the history of the church and why it has become the way it has (the missing books etc..) ...Now you ask me vaguely .. why would any one follow an adaptable religion... as to all things in life that are doubted, mystified and of course played with there is some truth to it k. And humans have an incessant whim to adjust things to their liking why cause we can do so.

As for christians themselves,they do believe in the basics that there is a God, he is apart of the holy trinity, and it is only through Jesus Christ that one can be saved.As for the other stories,extras and debatables as in any religion that is left up to the individual and his God. As for the time gaps i myself would like to know more being that i've read 2 books of about 300pgs each on the church.......and only got every thing my history books stated and then some.

My generation that goes to church and read and sing the hymns, psalms etc. Who were born into this religion ...are bored of it, seriously to death and if you knew how many teens hated the church of conforminty and self sacrifacing you'd be shocked! Really Shocked! You act like i dont see the contradictions or how certain things dont fit think again..The example i used were just examples as for my grammatics when you have just written a 3 papers no double spaced, front and back for some stupide AP class, Bussiness and a college paper talk to me again...All the letters look the same and my eyes freakin hurt.. O I have another paper on monday on the stupide classic of beowulf a piece of lit. i loath vehemently...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

And to Bobby Rutan u found my poem wow! How sketchy!

Not all christians are uneducated about the religion.

Which is why I said "most garden variety Christians...". But don't fool yourself, of the 83% of Americans that claim to be Christian and only 41% read the Bible outside of church service in a typical week. Source; Interesting Read Interesting Statistics

That's a difference of 42% between acclaimed Christians and those that read the bible - and this doesn't even take into effect those that read...

Not all christians are uneducated about the religion.

Which is why I said "most garden variety Christians...". But don't fool yourself, of the 83% of Americans that claim to be Christian and only 41% read the Bible outside of church service in a typical week. Source; Interesting Read Interesting Statistics

That's a difference of 42% between acclaimed Christians and those that read the bible - and this doesn't even take into effect those that read the whole bible. They are most likely reviewing scripture from previous sermons, favorite lines or chapters, or just picking out specific points to memorize as "life lessons". And of those that do read the whole book, how many simply gloss over negative parts, contradictions, or stuff that is simply regarded as criminal and immoral today and use the blind eye of faith?

So no, not all Christians are uneducated, but the vast majority of them are incomplacent and simply accept what they are told.

as to all things in life that are doubted, mystified and of course played with there is some truth to it k

So because Ireland exists, the story of leprachans should be accepted as possible? Because Loch Ness is real, the monster just might be lurking nearby? The Illiad by Homer makes reference to real people and cities, does that make it non fiction?

In simplest terms you are using the "god of the gaps" approach. Whatever you don't know must have something to do with god. It is a worship of ignorance. By that same anology I could make just as valid a claim that it is Allah, or Zues, or better yet, the will of the DoDo bird.

My generation that goes to church <snip> are bored of it,

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Sigh, dammit. I hate that clipmarks is inacurate in its word count when using the text editor. My final statement was :

My generation that goes to church <snip> are bored of it,

I know. I even clipped it. It is my belief that the internet has dealt organized religioned a hard blow. The young are not as indoctrinated as the older generations and see the inconsistencies and contradictions or what they are. With the access to knowledge on the internet religion cannot simply say "have faith" when the true answers are right there for people to find.

As for christians themselves,they do believe in the basics that there...

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Sigh, dammit. I hate that clipmarks is inacurate in its word count when using the text editor. My final statement was :

My generation that goes to church <snip> are bored of it,

I know. I even clipped it. It is my belief that the internet has dealt organized religioned a hard blow. The young are not as indoctrinated as the older generations and see the inconsistencies and contradictions or what they are. With the access to knowledge on the internet religion cannot simply say "have faith" when the true answers are right there for people to find.

As for christians themselves,they do believe in the basics that there
is a God, he is apart of the holy trinity, and it is only through Jesus
Christ that one can be saved

Who determines what "the basics" are? Not even all believers accept the trinity. Goes back to what I pointed out earlier on how religion cannot even agree with itself.

that is left up to the individual and his God

(Emphasis mine) I'm surpised you don't see the irony of this statement. In trying to establish a "respect" between people's differing beliefs you pretty much tear down the idea of a true god. Again, why all these varying beliefs of god? If people are earnest in their search for god isn't it rational to expect that they would all get the same internal message? More likely there is no god as such and people are just making stuff up that suits their personality. While this does not disprove "a" god, it refutes the idea of current dogma of "this" god.

As for your being tired - that is not my fault. Don't write if you are burned out. I respond to what is written. If you write like an uneducated fundy then I will respond to one. However, I don't think it will help your nebulous comments.

I remember writing that Christianity is divided up against each other and differ in what they believe... and how the various churches don't want to unify. As for the whole comment on how the dabatebles are left up to the individual and his God .....I could of left the his part out but I didn't why cause I plainly didn't. Now if you want to play the petty game of semantics etc. go ahead (it's 1 of 2 cards you have in your deck anyways). I'd like to comment on how you've said that I have torn down the idea of a true God while trying to establish the differing beliefs of a God. Also how the belife system is all made up etc. There is a God and there's cherry picking the cherry picking exist caus...

I remember writing that Christianity is divided up against each other and differ in what they believe... and how the various churches don't want to unify. As for the whole comment on how the dabatebles are left up to the individual and his God .....I could of left the his part out but I didn't why cause I plainly didn't. Now if you want to play the petty game of semantics etc. go ahead (it's 1 of 2 cards you have in your deck anyways). I'd like to comment on how you've said that I have torn down the idea of a true God while trying to establish the differing beliefs of a God. Also how the belife system is all made up etc. There is a God and there's cherry picking the cherry picking exist cause of how past word play has taken something that was so simple (and at one time existed) and made it into something complex when things were added. Now there is what is written and then there is what is believed and humans do what they please.

As for the "all things in life that are debated there is some truth to it" comment I made I was refering to the serious things k.... a really good example could of been Aesop works on fables in which he used personal experiances and put them into story format with the used of personified animals to show moral education.... not the whole Ireland thingy with the leprechauns ...that childs play. Now for Homer and the illad that's a poem idiot don't you dare take one of my favorite books and dis it. Now for the lochness monster and those who haven't seen it (me included), you can't call those who HAVE seen it or others who have seen the unexplained as not seeing it k ( which you have vaguely thrown at me).

I don't know why you detest what you don't understand nor even try to comprehend.....but thats you. now as for me I think this debackle was interesting and I've learned alot.. I respect you for it.

This is just going in circles. The worste part is I cannot fathom what point you are trying to make at any given time. I refuse to try and figure out the syntax of what you are writing any more. How can you expect anyone to figure out what the hell you mean with sentances (if you want to call them that) like this :

"I could of left the his part out but I didn't why cause I plainly didn't"

"There is a God and there's cherry picking the cherry picking exist
cause of how past word play has taken something that was so simple (and
at one time existed) and made it into something complex when things
were added."

Now for Homer and the illad that's a poem idiot don't you dare take one of my...

This is just going in circles. The worste part is I cannot fathom what point you are trying to make at any given time. I refuse to try and figure out the syntax of what you are writing any more. How can you expect anyone to figure out what the hell you mean with sentances (if you want to call them that) like this :

"I could of left the his part out but I didn't why cause I plainly didn't"

"There is a God and there's cherry picking the cherry picking exist
cause of how past word play has taken something that was so simple (and
at one time existed) and made it into something complex when things
were added."

Now for Homer and the illad that's a poem idiot don't you dare take one of my favorite books and dis it

You seem like a nice kid, but I really can't figure my way through how you are writing. Even when people write in correct sentances the meaning or intent of things can be lost in written vs verbal exchange. I don't even begrudge spelling error or simple typing mistakes - but sheesh. Have a little literary pride!

I'm sorry this didn't work out any better. I'm walking away from this frustrated because we can't even get past the part were we understand what we are each saying. If we cannot both understand the discussion then how can we even begin to agree or disagree?