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7-1-2008 5:35 PM
sillysam
So... let me get this straight. You immigrate to England and start telling the English people what should be clean and unclean in their society. And that they should adapt their centuries old belief that canines are domesticated animals that are great companions, protectors and workers so that they fall in line with your beliefs.
7-1-2008 5:59 PM
dulios
You immigrate to England and start telling the English people what should be clean and unclean in their society.
Sam, it seems a little silly to me, too, but to assume that all Muslims in Britain are immigrants is wildly inaccurate. Muslims have been in Britain for centuries. One can be both Muslim and British (and I keep using "Britain" because the incident actually took place in Scotland, not England). You know, some Muslims are even white.
7-1-2008 7:33 PM
sillysam
I didn't say that they were all immigrants. I didn't say that there were no white Muslims. I have a problem with the people in this article telling the people in Scotland that because they see dogs as unclean that everyone else must see it the same way.
7-1-2008 7:42 PM
sillysam
By the way the majority of muslim in England are immigrants, but not for long. The British Muslim are the only ones marrying and having children. The rest of the population seems to have given up on the whole procreation thing.

I will say this about Islam, it doesn't seem to like any other religions. They have a word for the rest of us, I am sure you have heard it, Infidel. They also have a word for people who leave their religion, Apostate. Barack Obama is an apostate. Now my Mormon friends also call ex-Mormons, apostates. The difference is that the Mormons think the apostates will not go to heaven. Islam on the other hand believe that Apostates should be put to death. Wow, not much diversity there.
7-2-2008 2:00 AM
merrie
pop for your comments, too!
7-2-2008 2:24 PM
sillysam
lol ty
7-2-2008 3:23 PM
dulios
I didn't say that they were all immigrants.
Ummm:

You immigrate to England and start telling the English people what should be clean and unclean in their society.
I have a problem with the people in this article telling the people in Scotland that because they see dogs as unclean that everyone else must see it the same way.
I honestly have a problem with it, too. But it's not because the offended parties are Muslim. It's because they are seeking to impose a religious sensibility as a norm in a secular state.

The British Muslim are the only ones marrying and having children. The rest of the population seems to have given up on the ...
7-2-2008 5:24 PM
sillysam
Dulios the people that were causing a stink were immigrants. Those are the people I am referring to. Jeesh.

As for hyperbole. Would you like the stats on procreation for Europe. The minimum sustainable birth rate for a society is 1.8. Britain comes in at about 1.6. Spain and Italy are at the bottom with 1.1. In a generations times the people in Spain, for example, will no longer have brothers or sisters or aunts or uncles. The one glaring exception to this low birthrate is among Muslim Immigrants. They are still breeding like crazy. The US has a birthrate at 2.1 children per couple. Yea for us.

Barack Obama is considered and apostate. Whether or not he has EVER practiced Islam...
7-2-2008 5:36 PM
sillysam
Christians dont' like other religions? Are you insane? I am a Pastor at a Christian church. Unbelievable the lies that people will believe. Do you go to a Christian Church, how about a synagogue? Have you ever heard anyone preaching hate towards other religions at these churches.

As for Muslims and proselytizing...I read a story this very morning about people in Texas being upset that Muslims are going around leaving copies of the Koran on peoples doorsteps. I don't have a problem with this Jehova Witness type evangelizing by Muslims, it is a free country. Oh, and if you don't think the Muslims have missionaries you have never been to a prison.

Now, Christians might come and knock...
7-3-2008 1:28 AM
kenstipe
Are you insane? I am a Pastor at a Christian church.
1. Is it normal for Christian pastors call others insane?
2. What is wrong with diversity?

And

3. Why do you hate Muslims so much that it scares to worry about English rates of reproduction?
7-3-2008 2:14 PM
sillysam
Sometimes pastors use the word insane. I have been known to call people bonkers and loony too when it is warranted. Are you now the word police?

Diversity is fine as long as it is not the goal. This is supposed to be the country were everyone is born with certain unalienable rights. This is the country that ended slavery. That jumped on the universal suffrage band wagon that brought equality to all. We even amended our constitution to reflect our beliefs. I personally believe that we are all children of good. All equal of His love and Grace. So it drives me insane (that word again) to see people using "diversity" to push human beings apart based on their ethnicity. It makes me ang...
7-3-2008 2:24 PM
sillysam
I suspect God is much more forgiving than humans are and I know that we are all equal and all in need of his love. As an American it is not difficult to find aspects of Islam that are antithetical to what we believe as a society. The degradation of women. The degradation of other religions. The degradation of homosexuals. The belief that Islam should rule the world. Oh, and that dogs are unclean (I think this is how this all got started. It is a minor point but it points out a major one.)

I hoped to spark a post-racial discussion with this topic. But I can see that many people still aren't there. They are afraid to criticize for fear (and rightly so) that they will in turn be accus...
7-10-2008 12:45 AM
kenstipe
Diversity is fine as long as it is not the goal.
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