 AtlLiberal says: While we are worlds apart in certain respects, Brother Consolmagno seems the type of person that I'd enjoy spending an afternoon with. There could be nothing more "faith based" than the belief in evolution. The evidence of the Creator is in every rock and leaf...leaving man without excuse. There is no "scientific" problem with Creation...only a moral one. If there is a Creator then...we owe Him our worship...our everything. There could be nothing more "faith based" than the belief in evolution.Do everyone a favor, Joseph48, amd pick up a biology text (and not one manufactured by the Discovery Institute) and become educated on what evolution is about . There is nothing faith based about it. In fact, it seems that a basic science text might do you some good to acquaint you with the scientific method. Your evidence of the "Creator" that you've presented is laughable at best. Somebody's been listening to Kirk Cameron. Did you notice where Joseph is from? You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one of these jokers. @laceym It's not even the nature of their beliefs that sets me off. It's the rote parroting of dogma, devoid of imagination that I find so tiresome. Their automaton response is so damn predictable that the sheer mind numbing monotony drives me to distraction. In many ways it parallels the liturgical mumblings heard in pews throughout the land. Can't these people think for themselves? Are they allergic to questioning? OK. Rant over. I bet there are some reasonable religionists out there. Somewhere... I have study religion, not on the bais of a text book, but by its people in religion. I have been to many churches and paticipated in each one with in the christian dogma I find little questioning what so ever by adults but in children you would laugh at how much they make their ministers at vaction bible school spin their heads. I have gone to some bible studies and everytime I for someone to go in a little more detail about the interprating or ask a question about something at all. Up till today I have counted only 3 people who have done so. You think your going crazy I've had to deal with these people for 4 and soon to be five years the only thing keeping me sain or the youth study halls ... It's interesting to note that a number of churchmen have been outstanding scholars. To name some, Giordano Bruno, Niels Stensen, Gregor Mendel and Georges Lemaître. On the one hand, Bruno was burned as a heretic, but on the other Lemaître originated what became known as the big bang theory. The Jesuits, in particular ,have a history and reputation as intellectuals and scientists, bit I also have to wonder what of their discoveries and knowledge may hace been suppressed because of conflicts with dogma. After all, it only took them 376 years to admit that Galileo was right. @Jorjor I guess it could be said that the examples you mentioned overcame their religion and were able to contribute significantly in spite of their supernatural beliefs. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the top scientists, particularly in the life sciences, are overwhelmingly atheists. This is not an accident. I think it might be the other way around. There was a time when the only way to get an education was to join the church. I think there were many who professed belief in order to pursue their intellect. Either way, like you, I'd like to spend some time talking to some of these guys. Brother Consolmagno is still around. Seance, anyone? This clip has gotten a little off track, but I'm going to continue taking it a little further. The Perimeter of Ignorance A boundary where scientists face a choice: invoke a deity or continue the quest for knowledge by Neil deGrasse Tyson Isaac Newton was one of the greatest intellects the world has ever seen. His laws of motion and his universal law of gravitation, conceived in the mid-seventeenth century, account for cosmic phenomena that had eluded philosophers for millennia. Through those laws, one could understand the gravitational attraction of bodies in a system, and thus come to understand orbits. A century later, the French astronomer and mathematician Pierre-Simon de Laplace confronted Newton's dilemma of unstable orbits head-on. Rather than view the mysterious stability of the solar system as the unknowable work of God, Laplace declared it a scientific challenge. In his multipart masterpiece, MŽcanique CŽleste, the first volume of which appeared in 1798, Laplace demonstrates that the solar system is stable over periods of time longer than Newton could predict. To do so, Laplace pioneered a new kind of mathematics called perturbation theory, which enabled him to examine the cumulative effects of many small forces. According to an oft-repeated but probably embellished account,... Nice comment laceym. Thanks. You're morphing into quite the informer here. I'd pop for your comment but the High Council prohibits the immoral practice of self-popping.  Here's a pop on me, AltLiberal! Here's a pop on me, AltLiberal!Oh, wiccantexan, you minx you!!! |
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