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1-2-2008 6:31 PM963 views
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1-2-2008 8:00 PM
cabanaben
According to science and most theologians we all came from Africa; but we stand by and let our motherland continue to kill itself. A travesty in the making, does anybody remember Iraq? Was Hemingway wrong, I doubt that, we should protect all people regardless of color or wealth.
1-2-2008 10:37 PM
jatfla
So....what exactly should be the solution? How should the world respond? With international *peace forces*? They've been ineffective and corrupted; actually bringing more suffering to the people they were sent to protect. Should the US move in with humanitarian aid? Our tax dollars? Our Christian institutions? They go, and then receive no support or protection; but a lot of condemnation for proselyting and kidnapping from the Islamists.

There are no easy answers. Only difficult and ugly ones, in my opinion. There is evil in the world. How do you all propose to confront and deal with it?
1-2-2008 11:27 PM
debbyski
Good questions. And they deserve good answers from those who are more qualified than I to answer. But I think the only thing that works is the non-violent protests used by Gandi, Mandela, Martin Luther King and the best example ever; my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
Used with powerful speeches and marches, things eventually change, good wins over evil in the end Jatfla, it always does.
1-3-2008 12:10 AM
ratilfar
No invasion is not the answer here.
1-3-2008 1:23 AM
BobbyRutan
The following is a pretty good article about what should have been done prior to the Kenyan elections and what might be done now.

Only one way to end Kenya's political stand-off – count votes again

It is important to consider because 3 other fledgling democracies have elections coming up soon in Ghana, Angola, and Malawi.

What I find interesting is that Bush has stated that the U.S. is defending democracy to try and legitimize his excursion into Iraq but it only appears as if the European Union is interested in these fledgling democracies in Africa.
1-3-2008 6:51 AM
AcesLucky
There are no easy answers. Only difficult and ugly ones, in my opinion. There is evil in the world. How do you all propose to confront and deal with it?
But I think the only thing that works is the non-violent protests used by Gandi, Mandela, Martin Luther King and the best example ever; my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
What I find interesting is that Bush has stated that the U.S. is defending democracy to try and legitimize his excursion into Iraq but it only appears as if the European Union is interested in these fledgling democracies in Africa.
Everyone (from individuals to countries) in some way is trying to survive by gaining access to limit...
1-3-2008 8:39 AM
debbyski
Excellent comments and suggestions by Rat, Bobby, and Aces!

We like to defer to the "war" being for the hearts and minds, but it's
really just a greater play for the resources. The wealthy own the power
and seek to "Conserve" the status quo, while the poor try to change
"revolt" or "Progress" it to their advantage in the name of social
fairness.
When there are plenty of resources for everyone, we'll find something else to fight about; but rarely on the level of genocide.
Lessen the need to fight each other for survival, and much of the need for genocide the world over goes away.
It all comes down to this Jatfla. Can "peace" be won through a v...
1-3-2008 9:54 AM
mickfinn
...it only appears as if the European Union is interested in these fledgling democracies in Africa.
Some of the major European nations, in particular Belgium, France, Portugal, Spain, and the UK, bear much of the responsibility for many of the political and civil disasters in Africa.

The slave trade robbed Africa of its finest for centuries (male and female). A poor comparison in Europe would be the loss of a generation of men during WWI. (Let's not forget however, that Europeans were not alone in sustaining slavery.)


In the colonial era, land was staked out arbitrarily with no regard to racial, religious or tribal considerations and borders drawn that had never existed be...
1-3-2008 10:01 AM
BobbyRutan
Another insightful article that compares and contrasts the current situation in Kenya with what happened in Rwanda.

Ethnic violence: Why Kenya is not another Rwanda
1-3-2008 10:37 AM
debbyski
Thank you Bobby. It's always insightful to get other perspectives.
1-3-2008 10:40 AM
Kauaiguy
"Western governments, including the United States, are calling for a vote recount"... That's rich.

The problem with African governments is that they haven't learned to be as Machiavellian as Western Democrazies when betraying their citizens.
1-3-2008 9:36 PM
mickfinn
What happened in Rwanda isn't what's happening in Kenya. In Rwanda the signal for war was political assassination; the strife was well planned and swiftly executed; and mass murder the order of the day carried out by a militia of c.30,000 strong.

It Kenya the violence at the moment would appear to be of a fairly local nature carried out by a relatively unorganised and poorly trained 'Rent-A-Mob' facing what looks like a determined and reasonably disciplined army and police force.
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