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7-23-2007 11:19 AM492 views
JICWyllie says:
"Discrediting" the "alarmists".
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7-23-2007 11:29 AM
JICWyllie
This point of view would be more convincing if people who interpret the facts in another way were not attacked personally as "alarmists". Personalised attacks are generally a sign of weak arguments. This ad hominem approach is why debate in politics and now science has become so degraded. Surely, it would be more intelligent if people helped each other find the facts in the spirit of a common quest, rather than taking sides.
7-23-2007 12:33 PM
willhelm
That is what they ARE --- ALARMISTS !!
It is sickening to see the PC crowd try to limit the use of perfectly suitable words such as alarmist which describes those pushing a view founded on little or no scientific facts. It IS alarmism. Just like all the other crap these Leftist/materialists have tried to push for the last 100 years.

The real ad hominem is when you call someone that relies on the science and facts as a DENIER because they do not bow down at the alter of fearmongering alarmism.
7-23-2007 12:44 PM
JICWyllie
So why do some people become 'alarmists'? Could it be envy for those who produce the most CO2? Not in my case, anyway. Is it because they want to be noticed? Can't be, because the crowd already believes in climate change. If it's the media misrepresenting the truth. Who is manipulating it, and why?
7-23-2007 2:50 PM
willhelm
Remove it from this particular issue. This is not unique. The problem is there are many that perpetuate this idiocy that are just plain ignorant and really are not familiar with the steady stream of materialist propaganda that has fallen by the wayside over the past 100 years. The young and ignorant always fall for this garbage.
There are many reasons.
1. There is a political component.
2. There is a psychological need for some to believe in these types of things ( I call it esotericeroticism).
3. There is a an ignorant component as far as it pertains to those (mostly under age 30) that are willing to be "useful idiots".
4.There is a greed component. Global Warming is a billion dollar i...
7-24-2007 3:51 PM
sl0wdjin
Ah,
Heartland Institute. What rubbish. They must think we're all gullible saps if we can be fed this crap.
7-24-2007 4:00 PM
hudgal1
Heartland is a notorious twister of factual evidence and a sham. There are very few REAL and CREDIBLE scientists who deny that global warming is occurring, though there may be some debate as to the reasons.

Anyone who believes that it is some huge conspiracy, or that the environmentalists are just in it for money is a fool.
7-26-2007 2:21 PM
willhelm
Yes, just like we were fools not to fall for global cooling, The population bomb, heterosexual aids, 2nd hand smoke, ALAR, Y2K, DHT and on and on and on. Materialist propaganda is having diminishing returns.
7-26-2007 5:01 PM
sl0wdjin
You're trying to tapdance away from the point of the subject.

The concensus view on the topic of global warming is vast, and spans many scientific disciplines including: The American Association for the Advancement of Science, The American Meteorological Society, The American Geophysical Union, Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (which includes the nation's leading climate modelers), and the Nation Academies of Sciences of: The United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan, China, India, Brazil, Belgium, Indonesia, Ireland, and Sweden. And the list goes on...

And on another ClipMark I covered the non-q...
7-26-2007 5:01 PM
sl0wdjin
Dr. Richard Lindzen from MIT was exposed by Ross Gelbspan,
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, as being a paid "consultant" for the
fossil fuel industry. This is an unfortunate trend we see among many of
the anti-global-warming scientists. In fact, Mr. Lindzen was paid
$2,500 per day by the oil industry in the mid-1990s while he was a
member of the previous IPCC, and his report "Global Warming: the Origin
and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus" was underwritten by OPEC.

On 9/16/2006 the Washington Post took an in-depth look at outspoken
climate change skeptic Pat Michaels. There was a huge controversy
regarding an electric utility industry association memo poi...
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