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7-19-2008 12:05 PM165 views
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Wisco says:
My question is when -- or even whether -- the media will start comparing the facts in the world to John McCain's rhetoric. Not only is Iraq heading in the exact opposite direction of what he's been advocating, but so has the State Dept's. posture toward Iran.

John McCain is being proved wrong before our very eyes and no one seems to be pointing this out.
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7-19-2008 12:51 PM
masbury
Wow - that's a good clip!
7-19-2008 12:52 PM
masbury
Can't wait to hear the conservative spin on it. We should have a contest for the most ridiculous "it-can't-possibly-be-that-Obama-is-right" response.
7-19-2008 12:53 PM
ratilfar
Just clipped the same news bu from Reuters.
7-20-2008 11:47 PM
n2sooners
7-21-2008 12:04 AM
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I'm already seeing retractions and corrections regarding this 'story'.
7-21-2008 12:53 AM
ratilfar
Oh really:

The statement, which was distributed to media organizations by the American military early on Sunday, said Mr. Maliki’s words had been “misunderstood and mistranslated,” but it failed to cite specifics.

“Unfortunately, Der Spiegel was not accurate,” Mr. Dabbagh said Sunday by telephone. “I have the recording of the voice of Mr. Maliki. We even listened to the translation.”
But the interpreter for the interview works for Mr. Maliki’s office, not the magazine. And in an audio recording of Mr. Maliki’s inter...
7-21-2008 12:55 AM
ratilfar
SPIEGEL sticks to its version of the conversation.
Other major newspapers in Baghdad on Sunday, including the government affiliated al-Sabah, the independent daily al-Mashriq and Iraq's leading paper al-Zaman quote the SPIEGEL interview at length. There is no mention of al-Dabbagh's statement denying Maliki's support of Obama's withdrawal plans, but it may have come after the papers went to press.
7-21-2008 12:50 PM
Wisco
n2sooners,

2 problems. First, Maliki's second statement came after US pressure and was released through CENTCOM. Second, he wasn't in any real hurry to "set the record straight."

I posted that before about 1 PM ET and Maliki's second statement came about 1:30 AM ET -- he basically made sure the statement would hang out there for one entire news cycle.

Actually, let me add a third -- he hasn't corrected the story, just denied it. What was it he was supposed to have really said? Who knows?

I wrote a morning post about this today; you can check it out here.
7-21-2008 2:08 PM
n2sooners
Funny thing is, Der Spiegel had TWO versions of the same quote. This was the first one.

SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?

Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we’re concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.
Why did they change it to remove the part that Maliki liked the 16 month withdrawal, but only if conditions on the ground continue to improve as they are now? In other words, he wants us out fast, but it should be conditions based, not some arbitrar...
7-21-2008 2:17 PM
Wisco
Isn't it odd then that the Iraqi govt. came out and expressed agreement with Obama again today?

Iraq's government welcomed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday with word that it apparently shares his hope that U.S. combat forces could leave by 2010.

The statement by Iraq's government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, followed talks between Obama and Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki — who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Al-Dabbagh said the government did not endorse a fixed date, but hoped American combat units co...
7-22-2008 9:51 AM
n2sooners
Ya, that is weird. Weird that you can read that and take it as agreeing with Obama. It clearly says they HOPE the troops can be pulled out sometime in 2010, but that they do NOT endorse a fixed date. Sounds to me more like they are disagreeing with Obama's primary promise of a fixed time table and agree more with Bush and McCain and the military generals on letting conditions on the ground determine the exact date.
7-22-2008 10:24 AM
ratilfar
Nobody has proposed a firm date of departure, except for the Iraqis who have floated 2010 (multiple times in the past few days). Obama said that he would consult the commanders on the ground and do a thorough review. So the al-Maliki goverment and the Obama campaign are in sink, McCain/Bush are still in la-la-land.
7-22-2008 10:32 AM
ratilfar
It is also the WH who now is talking about "horizons" and such. The American people want the U.S. out of Iraq, the Obama campaing says the want to get the U.S. troops out of Iraq (and fight the real war on terror in Afghanistan), the Iraqi goverment wants the U.S. out of Iraq (and shot down plans for a permanent occupation) and above all else the Iraqi people want the occupation to end.


So who got their translations wrong again?

Who floated a definite date of 2010?

Who is still insisting that he was right when everything he has said in the past was and still is wrong?

Who still believes that the the Surge is a success even though it is only a domestic PR success in the U.S?

Who has ign...
7-22-2008 10:35 AM
ratilfar
7-22-2008 10:36 AM
ratilfar
Or stuff like this:

BAGHDAD — Under sweltering heat Friday, the prayer leader urged the crowd of thousands to show forbearance and not to retaliate for what he called daily humiliations at the hands of the Iraqi army.
The plea has become a weekly ritual. Baghdad's Sadr City district after Friday prayers is a massive slum seething with unrest, which backers of firebrand cleric Muqtada al Sadr are managing to control, but only just.

The Friday sermon is the key to keeping the peace. After prayers, hundreds of young men began demonstrating Friday in front of nearby government forces. Some men began ...
7-22-2008 12:22 PM
Wisco
n2sooners,

It clearly says they HOPE the troops can be pulled out sometime in 2010, but that they do NOT endorse a fixed date.
What "fixed date" does Obama advocate? What day of the week will that fall on?
7-23-2008 1:59 PM
Wisco
I totally nailed it. Check here for confirmation.

Suck it, ye sayers of nay.
7-23-2008 8:26 PM
masbury
Yes, you did. It was all clear till the Bush office of obfuscation got ahold of it, then the spin began. Now it's clear again.
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