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4-22-2008 10:47 PM515 views
masbury says:
Even China, with 4X the population, has far fewer.
Do we want to be the nation that locks up more people than China?
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4-22-2008 11:23 PM
rvnurse2b
Other countries have worse prisons and stiffer penalties, lower tolerance for crimes. Some of them put people to death INSTEAD of serving prison time for DECADES like we do.
4-23-2008 12:27 AM
Nathaniel100
The Chinese style mass executions or Iranian style multiple lynchings in front of the masses might be an interesting way to empty some of our prisons so we can appear more tolerant to the rest of the world. I can also imagine that it it might have some impact as a deterrent.
4-23-2008 12:43 AM
bmman89
Mass executions would save us a lot of money too.
4-23-2008 12:52 AM
dakotayii
Prison system does not work instead we should make them work to lower the national deficit.
4-23-2008 3:55 AM
BobbyRutan
Interesting to see that an article that says stricter penalties and sentences don't work brings out a gaggle of tough justice proponents calling for stricter penalties and harsher sentences.

From the article:

“Far from serving as a model for the world, contemporary America is viewed with horror,” James Q. Whitman, a specialist in comparative law at Yale, wrote last year in Social Research. “Certainly there are no European governments sending delegations to learn from us about how to manage prisons.”

Prison sentences here have become “vastly harsher than in any other country to which the United States would ordinarily be compared,” Michael H. Tonry, a leading authority...
4-23-2008 4:37 AM
cgancedo
Go for it Americans!
Beat the Chinese and the Iranians also in mass executions! (irony)
4-23-2008 12:29 PM
masbury
How ridiculous these get-tough ideas are! Our system of punishment is a Reagan-era newfangled failure. Other countries with similar crime rates do not imprison people for crimes for which we send kids to prison. In our prisons, inmates learn survival -by -violence and gang dominance. Guards cannot stop it. The chances of spending ten years in a US prison and coming out able to hold a job or love a spouse are tiny, especially for a kid who enters as a teen-ager. The inmate comes out with no job, no scholarship access, an estranged family, little work record, 10 years behind in technology, 10 years of experience fighting for survival in gangs and drugs and violence, and often ...
4-23-2008 4:26 PM
masbury
@rvnurse2b -
Other countries have worse prisons and stiffer penalties, lower
tolerance for crimes. Some of them put people to death INSTEAD of
serving prison time for DECADES like we do.
Is that true? No nation comes to mind that has a similar economic development to ours that has "worse prisons and stiffer penalties." I seriously doubt that any nation in W. Europe has either; indeed, most of them will not extradite many suspects to the USA because they view the death penalty as barbaric. We imprison many times the percentage of our population that similar countries do. Lower tolerance for crime has been a bust at crime prevention.
6-18-2008 1:40 AM
fchristie
Crime and punishment are symptomatic of society’s inability to address the cause of the unhappiness and lack of fulfillment that generates these conditions.
Instead of looking to social, penal, psychological or political solutions to problems, perhaps we should look inward and work on correcting ourselves out of our egoism.
We are all in this together and it can be said, in a sense, that all the world’s pain resides in us.

Michael Laitman states this more succinctly. http://www.laitman.com/2008/05/all-the-worlds-pains-are-in-one-country/
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