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10-18-2008 10:34 PM
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10-19-2008 7:51 AM
debbyski
I think Borg would vehemently disagree with the fact that Jesus didn't exist. He has made his life's work a historical study to him and I agree with him that Jesus was indeed a human being who walked the face of the Earth.
10-19-2008 9:58 AM
invictus
Faith is one thing, fact is another, Debbyski. There has been no evidence to show that Jesus (or any other Biblical prophet) was a historical person yet. Even a tiny clue.

There had been neither Abram/Abraham nor Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Jesus. But billions of people keep believing all those mythical stories and personalities that the sacred books of the monotheistic religions tell. I respect their faith but yet can't help seeing it as a tragical situation for the human reason - especially in the 21st century.
10-19-2008 10:35 AM
tabsey
Well said Invictus.
10-19-2008 12:25 PM
lifecyce1898
Popped for the comment as well as the clip
10-19-2008 12:41 PM
earnric
Those that cling to "faith" as honorable are the problem...

While I agree that people have the right to believe whatever they like (about the nature of the universe) - we have developed a FAR more reliable method of uncovering truth: its called the scientific method and it is founded on demonstrability and reason.

Those that cling to irrational beliefs are the first to be swayed by the arguments of the tyrannical... And, as Jefferson said, tyrants have always found willing accomplices in the clergy.
10-19-2008 5:03 PM
debbyski
And you have a different kind of faith Invictus. If you want to argue that historical scholars of Jesus do not leave room for doubt then you would be correct. But mythical is a stretch too.

can't help seeing it as a tragical situation for the human reason - especially in the 21st century.
That particular "lens" is not mine Invictus. You know that don't you?
10-19-2008 7:18 PM
invictus
Forget the "lens", Deb. You're one of my best friends at Clipmarks and that's thousands times more important and valuable than thousands-year-old myths.
10-19-2008 11:34 PM
masbury
Earnric - You are right to praise the scientific method, but most of the decisions we make every day don't employ it, nor could they. It is useful for facts that are repeatable and testable in a lab under controlled conditions.
But the scientific method can't prove you were born - it can't be tested. It can't prove where you were yesterday, or even that yesterday happened. Almost every act you complete today won't be rooted in scientific method, but in simple assumption.
So it isn't quite correct to suggest that we now make our decisions and get our proofs by scientific method, and that subjective choices are radically outmoded. We don't have observable, empirical, and measurable results ...
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10-20-2008 7:25 AM
debbyski
Forget the "lens", Deb. You're one of my best friends at Clipmarks and
that's thousands times more important and valuable than
thousands-year-old myths.
And so are you mine, Invictus, so are you mine
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