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12-8-2007 3:12 PM
abailart
FoF groups work under different "banners" or "Policy centers" that spread Right Wing propoganda to the media and lobby congress
Center for Constitutional Government Center for Economic Liberty and Property Rights Center for National Security and Defense Center for Free Market Environmentalism and Conservation Center for Civic, Family, and Societal Progress Center for Science and Public Policy

FoF receives money from Big Tobacco and Big Oil Companies, such as Philip Morris (tobacco), ExxonMobil and RJ Reynolds Tobacco.

According to the New York Times FoF has about a "$700,000 annual budget, received $230,000 from Exxon in 2002, up from $40,000 in 2001, according to Exxon documents"

FoF als...
12-8-2007 3:24 PM
willhelm
That's funny. I guess it is easier to divide, propagandize, and lob ridiculous accusations than it is to provide substantive, scientific proof of Anthropogenic Global Warming.
12-8-2007 3:27 PM
abailart
You talking about the dribble of accusations that scientists from all over the globe are part of a mrxist scam?
12-8-2007 3:30 PM
willhelm
No, because scientists do not say Man is causing Global Warming. Despite your propaganda.
12-8-2007 3:31 PM
willhelm
However, international bureaucrats are involved in a Marxist scam.
12-8-2007 4:41 PM
abailart
Well I agree with almost everything there but would point out that i am not into propaganda, rather to show it in all its forms - mirror reflections and so on. The science of the subject is what is at stake, and the issue of human effect on climate can be treated separately from climate change (and responses), though their combination or possible combination is a third issue to be debated.
12-8-2007 4:48 PM
abailart
The tentacles are deep. Soros had connections with powerbrokers in the former Soviet Union. Soros attempted to assist with plans to help restore the collapsing Soviet Economy. Now, Soros fund dozens of small, medium and large activist groups that form a loose coalition of anti-American agendas. There are Soros connections to Global Warming Research that rants about global warming alramism.
The fact is there are a million little pieces, like shards of glass, ripping the fabric of the U.S. - They can be found in just about every major movement and issue: Global Warming, environmentalism, NAFTA, illegal immigration, global corporatism (ironically enough), capitalist authoritarianism......

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12-8-2007 5:33 PM
willhelm
I'm really not sure I follow your previous comments as they relate to Global Warming. The facts are pretty clear: The Earth has probably warmed ( . 7) degrees in the last century. Well within the range of of historical variation. There is nothing beyond that to support the Alarmism behind those that wan of catastrophe. The fact is we will NEVER reduce carbon emissions anytime in the foreseeable future (next 30 years).

I can talk about facts all day long and have done so many times here at Clipmarks . It is painfully clear there is psychological component at play in those the WANT to believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming. It always goes back to EXXON or Republicans.

Now I can separate th...
12-8-2007 6:14 PM
abailart
The clip, in this case, doesn't stand as information or necessarily something I concur with, but as an example of the general politicisation of the 'debate', a factor which does tend to occur in different political affilations. The psychological 'need' to accept certain agenda and perspectives is common across the board. This is as true for climate change as it is for, say, foreign policy, economics or religion: information sources, viewpoints etc tend to be selected to support conclusions without as full as possible knowledge and completeness of interpretation. What can also happen is a metonymic viewpoint where a fact or several facts, which true in themselves, are presented as representat...
12-8-2007 8:58 PM
willhelm
Discussion of the vast array of interpretations and data from all
sources would, alas, require more space than clipmarks! And for myself
I would not feel remotely qualified to achieve anything resembling a
satisfactory overview.
Don't sell yourself short. The escoteric nature of the debate is a scam within the scam. I call it escotericeroticism.

And I doubt the psychological driving forces behind foriegn policy rise to the level created by end of the world alarmism and the appeals to ignorance and emotion that we can save the world if we only set our mind to it.
12-9-2007 3:57 AM
abailart
Thanks for interesting discussion, wilheim. Engaged my intelligence.
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