Another Gay Teen Dies At Hands Of A Schoolmate

@Quickstar
I see homophobia as being the same evil as racism. It all comes from the same hatred and fear for anything that is different

Is this saying that all form of diversity come in for the same mistreatment no matter what if sex, religion, race, gender, weight, age, and on and on in America? The USA was built on diversity. Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

I come from Ireland where out gene pool contracted century after century. Incomers now account for over 17% and growing still. All are welcomed - black, Asian, Pole, EU, Yank, Brazilian, and ...

Another Gay Teen Dies At Hands Of A Schoolmate

@Quickstar
I see homophobia as being the same evil as racism. It all comes from the same hatred and fear for anything that is different

Is this saying that all form of diversity come in for the same mistreatment no matter what if sex, religion, race, gender, weight, age, and on and on in America? The USA was built on diversity. Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

I come from Ireland where out gene pool contracted century after century. Incomers now account for over 17% and growing still. All are welcomed - black, Asian, Pole, EU, Yank, Brazilian, and the rest. Little hate. No guns. Unarmed police. Pussy-cats compared with the US fascists.

Is capitalism the defining ingredient that causes Americans to hate so much? Its essence is GREED. That combined with an un-Christian religion is my guess.

Good clip Snaggle.
The cartoon is humorous and does make something of a valid point.
However, it is lacking in one respect, namely it allows some validity to be falsely attached to the unpleasant folks who call rights for gays special rights.The right to be who you are and living free from having force used against you, just as you do not use force against others is not a special right.
The ones that truly exercised special rights, the old testament folks and the new testament folks that evolved from them are the ones who had and brutally used 'special rights' even including the power to kill those refusing to meet their demands and they did so for centuries.
It is been more a matter of rem...

Good clip Snaggle.
The cartoon is humorous and does make something of a valid point.
However, it is lacking in one respect, namely it allows some validity to be falsely attached to the unpleasant folks who call rights for gays special rights.The right to be who you are and living free from having force used against you, just as you do not use force against others is not a special right.
The ones that truly exercised special rights, the old testament folks and the new testament folks that evolved from them are the ones who had and brutally used 'special rights' even including the power to kill those refusing to meet their demands and they did so for centuries.
It is been more a matter of removing their delusion of them having special rights, than any special rights for gays.

Obviously your a homosexual, well cop this:
I'm not homophobic, I hate homosexuals actions, that doesn't make me scared of them. Here are a few reasons as to why for you to ponder, on top of what you already have given us;
1.)Homosexual activity remains a major source of transmission of the HIV/AIDS virus.
2.)The risk of anal cancer soars by 4000 percent among those who engage in anal intercourse.
3.)Countering your argument of it being homophobia that causes the suicide rates: Two extensive studies published in the October 1999 issue of American Medical Association Archives of General Psychiatry confirmed the existence of a strong link between homosexuality and suicide, as well as other...

Obviously your a homosexual, well cop this:
I'm not homophobic, I hate homosexuals actions, that doesn't make me scared of them. Here are a few reasons as to why for you to ponder, on top of what you already have given us;
1.)Homosexual activity remains a major source of transmission of the HIV/AIDS virus.
2.)The risk of anal cancer soars by 4000 percent among those who engage in anal intercourse.
3.)Countering your argument of it being homophobia that causes the suicide rates: Two extensive studies published in the October 1999 issue of American Medical Association Archives of General Psychiatry confirmed the existence of a strong link between homosexuality and suicide, as well as other mental and emotional problems.

Youth who identify themselves as homosexual, lesbian and bisexual are four times more likely than their peers to suffer from major depression; three times more likely to suffer anxiety disorders, four times more likely to suffer conduct disorders, six times more likely to suffer from multiple disorders and more than six times more likely to have attempted suicide.

Many homosexual activists point their finger at homophobia as the cause of these disorders, but the most extensive studies have been done in the Netherlands and New Zealand where homosexuality is widely accepted.
4.)Here's a link to some interesting facts about homosexuals: http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive17.htm
5.)Sausages don't involve penises being inserted to anuses, how does this compare?
6.)Homosexual behavior results in greater risk for the following: (Gay websites included.)

· AIDS, Hepatitis A, B & C; many kinds of sexually transmitted diseases; anal cancer & other cancers; higher rates of alcohol dependence; tobacco use at 50% higher rates; eating disorders; high rates of psychiatric illnesses, including depression, drug abuse, and suicide attempts; debilitating health; and reduced life span (up to 20 years). The Archives of Interna

Good, we were running out of smart asses.

It would help the rest of us to know what planet you are working off if you could supply us with the normal sources for your 'facts'. I'm sure your sources are impeachable but often it's found that persons with your views are themselves creative with their 'facts' or their fundamentalist non-Christian non-expert mentors are.

Every hate filled fool is entitled to one attempt at going for glory with their first comments. Few have been as spectacular a damp squid as yours.

This is me doing nice. I don't do nice often. I prefer pussy cat but for fools there's another side. Welcome to ClipMarks. Grow up.

as i said i'm not scared of them in t...

Good, we were running out of smart asses.

It would help the rest of us to know what planet you are working off if you could supply us with the normal sources for your 'facts'. I'm sure your sources are impeachable but often it's found that persons with your views are themselves creative with their 'facts' or their fundamentalist non-Christian non-expert mentors are.

Every hate filled fool is entitled to one attempt at going for glory with their first comments. Few have been as spectacular a damp squid as yours.

This is me doing nice. I don't do nice often. I prefer pussy cat but for fools there's another side. Welcome to ClipMarks. Grow up.

as i said i'm not scared of them in the slightest, they hit like girls.

You'd know? You have being hitting on gays? You and how many friends?

This is a cut and paste of my comment from another clip:

I have never thought I was a victim of homophobia. I just refuse to think in those terms. I'm not the one with the problem. It's not a healthy mindset and often it can leave a person feeling sorry for themselves in a way that hurts their relationships with others. If I thought I was going to be a victim of homophobia, I'd be looking at every person on the street all the time wondering when it was going to happen! Don't get into that trap of fear.

I've had rocks thrown at me, been called names, which is peanuts compared to what other gay men or women have endured, but suicide is not the answer to anything - ever.

I wo...

This is a cut and paste of my comment from another clip:

I have never thought I was a victim of homophobia. I just refuse to think in those terms. I'm not the one with the problem. It's not a healthy mindset and often it can leave a person feeling sorry for themselves in a way that hurts their relationships with others. If I thought I was going to be a victim of homophobia, I'd be looking at every person on the street all the time wondering when it was going to happen! Don't get into that trap of fear.

I've had rocks thrown at me, been called names, which is peanuts compared to what other gay men or women have endured, but suicide is not the answer to anything - ever.

I won't be the victim of someone's hatred or dislike until they kill me, but it will be the fight of a lifetime if I'm going down.

The people that matter will like you and stand up for you because you'd do the same for them. Finding the people who lift you up in life is key. That will help get you through the hard times.

Awesome clip! I clipped it to my Newscast. Thank you.

Recently I became familiar with the Chris Crocker on YouTube. I have favorited many of his videos but cannot understand the non-disguised hatred for him. He is a kind-hearted soul and has much talent as an entertainer.

I would like to say that I understand where homophobia comes from but I really don't know. It's so foreign to me.

My partner and I are very sexually expressive with one another because we're in love; this means we do weird things like discuss our sexuality and our fantasies.

He would never be interested in a gay man that way but he is comfortable enough with himself, and a very kind and intelligent person to have th...

Awesome clip! I clipped it to my Newscast. Thank you.

Recently I became familiar with the Chris Crocker on YouTube. I have favorited many of his videos but cannot understand the non-disguised hatred for him. He is a kind-hearted soul and has much talent as an entertainer.

I would like to say that I understand where homophobia comes from but I really don't know. It's so foreign to me.

My partner and I are very sexually expressive with one another because we're in love; this means we do weird things like discuss our sexuality and our fantasies.

He would never be interested in a gay man that way but he is comfortable enough with himself, and a very kind and intelligent person to have the courage [?] to be friends with his gay friends. In other words, like me, his friendships are not based on a prerequisite that our friends are heterosexual.

My two best female friends are gay. One had an admitted crush on me but she finally got "knocked up" and married so I think her love for me may finally be out of her system!

I often think that those who protest the loudest about something or other are hiding from the truth about themselves.

Very simiplistic. But there is truth in what you say. Look at the party of protests. The truth is ugly.

alanocu:

If I thought I was going to be a victim of homophobia, I'd be looking
at every person on the street all the time wondering when it was going
to happen! Don't get into that trap of fear.

Very wise.

However, to most that discount the comment of Selfers ( though my points would be much different). His oipinion is truth and to discount his opinion just because you choose to make up faults with the individual's heart makes you look lik...

I often think that those who protest the loudest about something or other are hiding from the truth about themselves.

Very simiplistic. But there is truth in what you say. Look at the party of protests. The truth is ugly.

alanocu:

If I thought I was going to be a victim of homophobia, I'd be looking
at every person on the street all the time wondering when it was going
to happen! Don't get into that trap of fear.

Very wise.

However, to most that discount the comment of Selfers ( though my points would be much different). His oipinion is truth and to discount his opinion just because you choose to make up faults with the individual's heart makes you look like idiots.

Then we have this...

But us Bi people get more crap from gays than from striaghts!! That is just screwed.

People need to understand the condition of man, not the condition of the person's heart with whom you disagree.

You cannot fight skepticism with cynicism. We should all be skeptics.

Is this saying that all form of diversity come in for the same mistreatment no matter what if sex, religion, race, gender, weight, age, and on and on in America? The USA was built on diversity. Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

@Righthand
In many ways, yes, that is what I am saying. I will never forget a conversation I had on a bus with a young black man when I was in college. He asked me about my experiences, and when I told him, he said it wasn't so different from the things black people go though.

However, I do not like getting trapped into generalizations. For example, gay people were not bought, sold, or worked to death as slaves in the United States. W...

Is this saying that all form of diversity come in for the same mistreatment no matter what if sex, religion, race, gender, weight, age, and on and on in America? The USA was built on diversity. Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

@Righthand
In many ways, yes, that is what I am saying. I will never forget a conversation I had on a bus with a young black man when I was in college. He asked me about my experiences, and when I told him, he said it wasn't so different from the things black people go though.

However, I do not like getting trapped into generalizations. For example, gay people were not bought, sold, or worked to death as slaves in the United States. We were not rounded up and put into reservations or internment camps in the United States. So, there are many different manifestations of this cruelty... but I feel the origins of it stem largely from the same place.

With respect to America being founded on diversity, I sadly beg to differ. All one needs to do is harken back on the Scarlet Letter, the witch hunts, the slavery and segregation, the stolen native lands, the Japanese internment camps at Manzanar and Tule Lake, the beating of Sikhs after September 11th because they were mistaken for arabs, the religious "Right's" efforts to make gays and lesbians into third class citizens... and one (or at least I) can see quite clearly that America was founded on and has persisted in being something very different indeed.

That said, I believe that many Americans are trying to found a new society, one that appreciates our diversity as the incredible gift that it is and the opportunities it affords. That is my hope for our future, at least...

righthand or anyone else - don't even respond to Seffers. He's a common troll who created an account today who probably got his ass kicked somewhere and knows it won't happen again because he's hiding behind TCP/IP now.

Where's the fun in that? I like kicking figurative ass. Of course your right. Logic or humanity has no part of his world. Even if his god spoke to him there would be break through.

But we're a community. More importantly we're a DIVERSE community. We're gays, BI, straight, male, female, young, old, black, white, latino, .... beautiful and smart! A troll, is it, can only have any success if we allow him attack just one at the time. Remember about the Jews a...

righthand or anyone else - don't even respond to Seffers. He's a common troll who created an account today who probably got his ass kicked somewhere and knows it won't happen again because he's hiding behind TCP/IP now.

Where's the fun in that? I like kicking figurative ass. Of course your right. Logic or humanity has no part of his world. Even if his god spoke to him there would be break through.

But we're a community. More importantly we're a DIVERSE community. We're gays, BI, straight, male, female, young, old, black, white, latino, .... beautiful and smart! A troll, is it, can only have any success if we allow him attack just one at the time. Remember about the Jews and the Nazis. If we all stand up then, we're unbeatable.

righthand,
I agree with you about the importance of avoiding censorship.
Words are only words. They have no power. They cannot control. They are only placeholders for actions and for knowledge which is really just a summation of what was learned from someones previous actions.
Society can never dictate what are proper words, ideas and feelings; any attempt to do so will only create it's own natural rebellion. Ways will be found to escape what must be seen as an unfair prison.
My first thought is that there is a difference between corporate/government censorship and individual censorship. The individual cannot be forced to listen to another's id...

righthand,
I agree with you about the importance of avoiding censorship.
Words are only words. They have no power. They cannot control. They are only placeholders for actions and for knowledge which is really just a summation of what was learned from someones previous actions.
Society can never dictate what are proper words, ideas and feelings; any attempt to do so will only create it's own natural rebellion. Ways will be found to escape what must be seen as an unfair prison.
My first thought is that there is a difference between corporate/government censorship and individual censorship. The individual cannot be forced to listen to another's ideas if they don't want to.
For example Joe has a right to feel he loves Sally, a right to want to tell her he loves her, even a right to tell her that at least once, but not a right to tell her that over and over again when she has made clear she doesn't want to hear it.
What I'm saying is that there is a difference between the owner of the speech area making it impossible for anyone else to hear the viewpoint of someone they disagree with or dislike, and the owner just refusing to personally listen to the undesired views. In a real sense we are all owners of a speech area, and have that right to select the views we personally want to opt out of, but not the right to force everyone else to have to opt out as well.
There is another side of a person opting out of hearing my views. They not only miss what may be the bad, they also miss the good.

Snaggle, great clip!

righthand said:

Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

[quote-CoviwinklesNo1Fan]But us Bi people get more crap from gays than from striaghts!! That is just screwed. There's some evidence of a possible biological tendency towards groupism, whether it be racism or homophobia.

It doesn't mean groupism is morally correct or that any genetic inclination can't (or shouldn't) be overcome by enlightened people.

But it may go a little way towards explaining (tho not justifying) why many people are groupist - including why some gay people discriminate against bisexuals as muc...

Snaggle, great clip!

righthand said:

Why then is there this hatred of diversity?

[quote-CoviwinklesNo1Fan]But us Bi people get more crap from gays than from striaghts!! That is just screwed. There's some evidence of a possible biological tendency towards groupism, whether it be racism or homophobia.

It doesn't mean groupism is morally correct or that any genetic inclination can't (or shouldn't) be overcome by enlightened people.

But it may go a little way towards explaining (tho not justifying) why many people are groupist - including why some gay people discriminate against bisexuals as much as (if not more than) some straight people discriminate against gays.

As for protesting too much - isn't there some anecdotal evidence that the most rabidly homophobic are those who are taking out their fear of their own possible homosexual inclinations on others who aren't afraid of their own sexuality?

Ok, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Before I get into the general comments, though, let me address the specific issue of Clipmarks "blocking" (for want of a better term) feature. Whatever else if might be, its quite definitely not censorship. Not only is the government not involved (see below), but if you click on the circle-and-slash symbol next to someone's name, you'll see three options - you can pick any or all of them - that let you set what you see of the other person's content. You can block their clips, you can block their comments and/or you can block them from commenting on your clips.

The first two options ONLY AFFECT YOU. If you choose to block their clips or ...

Ok, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Before I get into the general comments, though, let me address the specific issue of Clipmarks "blocking" (for want of a better term) feature. Whatever else if might be, its quite definitely not censorship. Not only is the government not involved (see below), but if you click on the circle-and-slash symbol next to someone's name, you'll see three options - you can pick any or all of them - that let you set what you see of the other person's content. You can block their clips, you can block their comments and/or you can block them from commenting on your clips.

The first two options ONLY AFFECT YOU. If you choose to block their clips or comments, all it means is that YOU won't see them. Everyone else (who chooses to) can still see them. You haven't done ANYTHING to prevent that person from expressing themselves - you've just made sure you don't see it. The third option does prevent them from posting responses to your clip, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't save it to their own collection and add whatever comments they want for everyone else to see.

As for censorship in general, censorship exists ONLY when the GOVERNMENT is preventing you from expressing yourself. Forums (online or in real life) that are run by private companies, groups or individual have every right to establish what topics are welcome and to set rules for interaction between guests.

The difference is that if one private forum has rules that don't allow you to express yourself the way you want to, there are likely to be hundreds of others where you will be able to, and if not, you're entirely free to start your own to run under any rules *you* so choose. As a result, you are still free to express yourself - just not on that one particular forum.

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I mean, think about it. The internet is full of forums devoted to one topic or another, and no one considers it censorship when a forum devoted to, say, tennis boots users who refused to follow the rules and keep posting about the great new chicken recipe they got last week. But that's no different than a political forum setting a rule that you must be civil in how you respond to others. In both cases, you still have options for expressing yourself however you want - you just can't do it in that particular forum (again, referring to both online and real world.)

If, however, you were truly being *censored*, you wouldn't have any other options. The government and/or other official bodies...

I mean, think about it. The internet is full of forums devoted to one topic or another, and no one considers it censorship when a forum devoted to, say, tennis boots users who refused to follow the rules and keep posting about the great new chicken recipe they got last week. But that's no different than a political forum setting a rule that you must be civil in how you respond to others. In both cases, you still have options for expressing yourself however you want - you just can't do it in that particular forum (again, referring to both online and real world.)

If, however, you were truly being *censored*, you wouldn't have any other options. The government and/or other official bodies would be preventing you from expressing yourself ANYWHERE. It wouldn't be a matter of just finding a new place to post if an admin boots you for being a rule-breaking asshole, if you were being censored, there wouldn't be any other place you could go.

Welcome Snaggle.

here are some voices of the World:

Well, fear and homophobia are both pervasive.
Kathy Acker

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.
Coretta Scott King

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
Pat Robertson at the 1992 Republican National Convention

We've got to have some common sense about a disease transmitted by people deliberately engaging in unnatural acts.
Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC), on why he opposed approval [b]...

Welcome Snaggle.

here are some voices of the World:

Well, fear and homophobia are both pervasive.
Kathy Acker

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.
Coretta Scott King

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
Pat Robertson at the 1992 Republican National Convention

We've got to have some common sense about a disease transmitted by people deliberately engaging in unnatural acts.
Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC), on why he opposed approval of the Ryan White CARE act, which funds AIDS research

Homophobia is gay.
Frank Iero

Homophobia is just that: a phobia.
George Weinberg

Well!!
For those who don't "like" homosexuality, as long as someone isn't breaking into your bedroom to practice it, then please chill out. You have every right not to like it and homosexuals have every right to hold hands with their partner while walking in the mall or down the street without the fear of insults or worse yet physical violence against them.
One of my daughter's best friends was going to his dorm room and minding his own business when some other guys approached him and said "Faggot, go home!" But the problem was he was going home. That is homophobia. I think it might also be a homophobic statement to say that in the history of your family lineage, there has never been a h...

Well!!
For those who don't "like" homosexuality, as long as someone isn't breaking into your bedroom to practice it, then please chill out. You have every right not to like it and homosexuals have every right to hold hands with their partner while walking in the mall or down the street without the fear of insults or worse yet physical violence against them.
One of my daughter's best friends was going to his dorm room and minding his own business when some other guys approached him and said "Faggot, go home!" But the problem was he was going home. That is homophobia. I think it might also be a homophobic statement to say that in the history of your family lineage, there has never been a homosexual. I laughed out loud when I read that statement by another clipper! You could almost smell the fear!

@Thorswitch

Ok, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Before I get into the general comments, though, let me address the specific issue of Clipmarks "blocking" (for want of a better term) feature. Whatever else if might be, its quite definitely not censorship.

No kidding. I came to ClipMarks NOT to be trolled or openly insulted. I really thought I would have to delete my account until I found the option to hide someone's comments from my view or whatever the other options were.

Someone else said words have no power or implied as such and said words cannot hurt. Yes. Me. They can. I do not like negative trolling. I avoid people in real life like that an...

@Thorswitch

Ok, this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Before I get into the general comments, though, let me address the specific issue of Clipmarks "blocking" (for want of a better term) feature. Whatever else if might be, its quite definitely not censorship.

No kidding. I came to ClipMarks NOT to be trolled or openly insulted. I really thought I would have to delete my account until I found the option to hide someone's comments from my view or whatever the other options were.

Someone else said words have no power or implied as such and said words cannot hurt. Yes. Me. They can. I do not like negative trolling. I avoid people in real life like that and I will avoid them on the internet like that.

We do not all have the same barometer of "security" with anothers perceptions or have the same amount of "skin thickness" to the degree that words do no harm.

Some people are Highly Sensitive and *still* have as much right to be on the internet and in ClipMarks without having to worry about a negative comment [from benign to cruel] from someone every time she turns around.

If it's *my* Clipmarks experience, I expect to have some level of control over it. Much like in NewsGroups and email...that's what filters and the killfile is for.

Do you know how many spammers and porn peddlers scream *censorship* when an ISP blacklists them? Come on!

@digits
That was me that said words have no power. What I said there was:

Words are only words. They have no power. They cannot control. They are only placeholders for actions and for knowledge which is really just a summation ofwhat was learned from someones previous actions

I also said in the same comment:

For example Joe has a right to feel he loves Sally, a right to want to tell her he loves her, even a right to tell her that at least once, but not a right to tell her that over and over again when she has made clear she doesn't want to hear it.

Which addresses what you are speaking of.
Everyone has a right to choose not to listen to a particul...

@digits
That was me that said words have no power. What I said there was:

Words are only words. They have no power. They cannot control. They are only placeholders for actions and for knowledge which is really just a summation ofwhat was learned from someones previous actions

I also said in the same comment:

For example Joe has a right to feel he loves Sally, a right to want to tell her he loves her, even a right to tell her that at least once, but not a right to tell her that over and over again when she has made clear she doesn't want to hear it.

Which addresses what you are speaking of.
Everyone has a right to choose not to listen to a particular individual for any reason at all. One even wants to not listen to a friend or lover sometimes.
I had an experience of reading a book that was good and called for absolute complete honesty; his theme was that one should be honest no matter what, no avoiding hurting feelings etc. Much of what he said was good as I remember it. But for some reason he felt compelled to use the F word over and over again. Not in any nasty way, but there it was. As I read I found myself being noticeably affected in a negative way. I couldn't go on like that so I simply didn't read the word whenever it appeared. It was right there but I didn't pronounce it in my mind and I was fine.
I am always buoyed up attacks because the person is admitting that they don't have a real response. This is not true if I feel I cannot safely respond to the attack. Part of not being able to safely respond back is when the site owner is known favor the side of the opponent and you are aware that they have the power to step in and intervene at any moment, silencing you while leaving the opponents voice intact.

digits, I feel exactly the same way that you do. I sometimes read comments from others; and I'm sure that had they been standing face to face, the words coming out of their mouth would be much different than the words they write.

I have a general rule that I never write anything that I wouldn't say to that person's face. The consequences of those words can take on a whole new direction face to face.

digits, I can tell just by your words that you are so kind and caring and fair - I so appreciate the clippers that display those qualities. You bring a lot to the table here; good insight and wealth of information delivered with style and grace. Please stick around!

debbyski I'...

digits, I feel exactly the same way that you do. I sometimes read comments from others; and I'm sure that had they been standing face to face, the words coming out of their mouth would be much different than the words they write.

I have a general rule that I never write anything that I wouldn't say to that person's face. The consequences of those words can take on a whole new direction face to face.

digits, I can tell just by your words that you are so kind and caring and fair - I so appreciate the clippers that display those qualities. You bring a lot to the table here; good insight and wealth of information delivered with style and grace. Please stick around!

debbyski I've been places where two men holding hands walking down the street would invoke a more dramatic reaction than if they were holding a gun in their hand.

syncopath a couple more quotes to add:

"What are you trying to protect heterosexual marriages from? There
isn't a limited amount of love in Iowa. It isn't a non-renewable
resource. If Amy and Barbara or Mike and Steve love each other, it
doesn't mean that John and Mary can't." [b]Ed Fallon[/b]

"We love men. We just don't want to see them naked." Two Nice Girls

@ alanocu

Are you happy now? I'm blushing and feeling all humbled and it's not barely 8:00am.

LoL....Well thank you. It does do my heart loads of good to see other like-mindeds here on ClipMarks. There really are some good GOOD people here.

Your general rule is the same as mine. Some people, though, come online with the idea that their persona will act as ego-shield, however. This tells me their real life is so unbearable that they need an outlet. That's groovy. I can dig it. Better that than beating on the kids, pets, or wife I guess. But I don't wany part of that. That's a dis-ease I left a long time ago when I decided I had the power to surround myself with healthy people or...

@ alanocu

Are you happy now? I'm blushing and feeling all humbled and it's not barely 8:00am.

LoL....Well thank you. It does do my heart loads of good to see other like-mindeds here on ClipMarks. There really are some good GOOD people here.

Your general rule is the same as mine. Some people, though, come online with the idea that their persona will act as ego-shield, however. This tells me their real life is so unbearable that they need an outlet. That's groovy. I can dig it. Better that than beating on the kids, pets, or wife I guess. But I don't wany part of that. That's a dis-ease I left a long time ago when I decided I had the power to surround myself with healthy people or at least people working toward unification & wholeness rather than divisiveness.

@Yanceducat - Delicious!

@Michelle - I have a friend and you reminded me of her when you used that phrase, "gods kids." She says that alot when she's angry at someone and my heart goes into happy overdrive when she follows up with, "...but i have no right to insult her because she's one of gods kids..."

I was sharing in a meeting the other night [12 step meeting] something that I think made no sense at the time...LoL...

But when I get angry or mad or feel yucky toward someone ...okay. Those are my emotions to a situation.But because I have learned that it's *my* anger and based in *my* interpretation [mitote] of the world, it's *my* business to work out.

What this does is still allow me to be kind and considerate of people [to the best of my ability] while keeping my emotions on the sideline until I can work them out. Frankly, that as far as the god of my understanding goes, my emotions are not any of my business when it comes to still being a fellow sister among sisters; a sister among brothers.

I know that's a freaky way of looking at things but it works for me... Hehe... Thanks for letting me share.