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5-5-2008 5:14 AM255 views
merrie says:
The New York Times rolled out Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, in Boulder, CO. Tremberth told them that "the global climate will continue to be influenced in any particular decade by a mix of natural variability and the building greenhouse effect" and that "a cool phase does not mean the overall theory of dangerous human-driven warming is flawed."

And then added what appears to be the latest greenie talking point:

"Too many think global warming means monotonic relentless warming everywhere year after year. It does not happen that way."

Is anyone else noticing a trend developing here, beyond the "we never said that warming patterns would be steady" shuffle? Each explanation, whether by Willis, Keenlyside and Latif, Wood, or Trenberth implies that some climate forces natural are more formidable than those anthropogenic.
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5-5-2008 10:22 AM
gzuckier
ya know, it gets warmer here between january and july every year, despite the fact that it cools off every single evening. i don't know why that's a mind boggling concept all of a sudden. if the fact that the temperature drops every day at nightfall wasn't important enough to convince you that there's no overall warming trend, why would a pause of a decade convince you?
5-5-2008 1:17 PM
willhelm
it gets warmer here between january and july every year
gzuckier, I doubt very seriously that you can feel a . 7 degree increase in temperature, which has now almost been erased. You cannot walk outside and feel global warming. That is just astounding ignorance.
it gets warmer here between january and july every year
Compared to what?

it gets warmer here between january and july every year
There are many places that have become colder over the last decade. In fact oveall temperatuyre trends show the Earth cooling. Especially tropospheric readings which are important for 2 reasons 1) They are more accurate and 2) For a greenhouse effect to...
6-11-2008 2:49 PM
gzuckier
oh, also, shouldn't the effect of the sun be seen anywhere else in the solar system? Oh, yeah, I know "mars has global warming!!!"
so that's two objects out of dozens. by random chance, if the sun weren't doing anything, half wouldd be warming, half would be cooling.
for instance, doesn't the moon get heated by the same sun as we do? why isn't it affected by all this solar input?
6-11-2008 3:12 PM
willhelm
so that's two objects out of dozens. by random chance, if the sun
weren't doing anything, half wouldd be warming, half would be cooling.
Also, warming has been detected on Triton, Pluto, Jupiter, and Neptune. There has been no reported cooling on any planets.


The solar cycles is presently in transition. It takes some time for the Earth to respond to these cycles because the Oceans store heat from solar irradiance. The oceans are a heavy influence on clouds and our overall climate system.

for instance, doesn't the moon get heated by the same sun as we do? why isn't it affected by all this solar input?
The moon doesn't have an atmosphere.

Also, just for so...
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