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6-11-2007 12:37 PM1039 views
This is a fascinating exploration of how common misunderstandings of the way economics work pervade in our society, and how these misconceptions have led to our current ill-conceived entanglements.

Too much good stuff to clip, you'll have to click through to the source for the rest!
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6-11-2007 1:38 PM
Socratoad
I agree ...... lots of food for thought here.

Thanks Austin.
6-12-2007 10:53 AM
cniq_cniq
I probably would have clipped Myth #4 to illustrate my point, but Socratoad is correct. There is much to consider in the column and too little room to clip.

Not to change the subject, but this reminds me of a comment you have made before, ouyangwulong. One of the beauties of Clipmarks is the ability it affords members to explore the multi-faceted aspects of their peers. We like to stereotypically put folk into rigid boxes -- liberal vs. conservative for example. If such strict barriers always applied, I would be surprised to see you reading Mises. What's next.....Hayek?
6-12-2007 9:07 PM
ouyangwulong
Actually, now that you mention it, there's a lot of Hayek that I really like! (especially social philosophy on social philosophy... What is more, I have always made my living by being very good at taking advantage of the division of knowledge and the spontaneous order! )

In the end, I explain myself as a radical liberal because that is the easiest way to give people a general idea of my practical politics and voting record. However, my ideologies are very complex, and very personal, rooted in philosophy and not in any current social framework. Thus there are significant portions of Classical Liberalism that I find complimentary to my ideas, even if I disagree at some points.

What is mo...
6-12-2007 9:29 PM
ouyangwulong
In a more topical comment, it's not that I oppose Bush because he is a capitalist. I oppose him and his agenda because from what I've seen he doesn't have the slightest understanding of how capitalism works. Actually, since Cniq-Cniq brought up Hayek, I find some of the ideas in his last book Economic Freedom, to be very useful.

I am concerned about the individual within the context of society. I feel that Bush has in some ways increased political coercion in our society, but more importantly, he appears to have dedicated his Presidency to creating a system of Economic Coercion which "benefits" large corporations at the expense of the consumer and the free market. Many of his policies I be...
6-12-2007 9:47 PM
ouyangwulong
In an even more topical application:

Consider the current interest rate policy of the Federal Reserve, which I believe is being kept artificially low despite a strong (until recently) market in mortgages.

The personal debt of the average American has soared under the Bush administration. This is a very alarming indicator indeed, and I think it is a direct product of the Bush Administration's miscalculation of how to "manage" the economy.

I believe that keeping the interest rates artificially low is causing unsound investments which will eventually destabilize the economy. It may have done so already without us even knowing it. Over-borrowing pressures the supply of captial which lenders c...
6-12-2007 10:35 PM
cniq_cniq
If such strict barriers always applied, I would be surprised to see you reading Mises. What's next.....Hayek?
(If you're so surprised, you must have missed my Oakeshott clip!)
Actually, I'm not the least bit surprised. The key word in my comment was if.

Just as you identify yourself as a radical Liberal due to the ease it affords others to understand your general philosophy, I identify myself as a Burkean conservative. Even so, a thinking person tends to me more complex and will never completely fix the contours of such tidy boxes. Unfortunately, I find that too many do not understand the nuiances of such complexity.

Funny that one of the persons...
6-12-2007 10:43 PM
ouyangwulong
It is also very important to realize that we are not talking about "right" or "wrong" but "same" and "different."

Of course we believe ourselves to be right, but that does not make it so. (Since, after all, everyone believes that on some level, at least somebody must be wrong about it!) The presumption that those who are different from us are also those who are wrong is probably the most destructive force in our society throughout the history of civilization.
6-12-2007 11:03 PM
cniq_cniq
The presumption that those who are different from us are also those who
are wrong is probably the most destructive force in our society
throughout the history of civilization.
I'm not sure if I would agree that simply believing another's position wrong is the problem. As you state earlier, you couldn't logically consider your position right, unless you considered opposing positions wrong on some level.

Rather, I see the problem as presuming that those who disagree with your outlook are evil, unitelligent, unreflective, meanspirited or brainwashed fanatics. A simple reflection on the ease with which philosophical opponents bandy about words like fascist, Taliban, commie or Nazi demonstrates this.
6-12-2007 11:03 PM
cniq_cniq
The presumption that those who are different from us are also those who
are wrong is probably the most destructive force in our society
throughout the history of civilization.
I'm not sure if I would agree that simply believing another's position wrong is the problem. As you state earlier, you couldn't logically consider your position right, unless you considered opposing positions wrong on some level.

Rather, I see the problem as presuming that those who disagree with your outlook are evil, unitelligent, unreflective, meanspirited or brainwashed fanatics. A simple reflection on the ease with which philosophical opponents bandy about words like fascist, Taliban, commie or Nazi demonstrates this.
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