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10-2-2008 10:13 AM
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10-2-2008 1:39 PM
ColoradoRight
Wait - you mean that great big shiny thing in the sky every day has impact on the climate? I'm gobsmacked.
10-2-2008 2:46 PM
kmcolo
And loans to poor, minority households are the reasons for the current credit meltdown.

And the Earth is 6000 years old.
10-2-2008 5:33 PM
n2sooners
And the climate never changed until the invention of the SUV...
10-2-2008 11:18 PM
willhelm
LOL.

Great clip and comments. kmcolo points to an utter inability to comprehend. Hilarious in this context how he has been the one to point out cognitive dissonance where it does not exist.
10-3-2008 12:25 AM
sillysam
No, KM, I just heard from the ever erudite Mr. Mike Moore that Health Care is to blame for this. Boy that guy gets his teeth into a bone he doesn't let go.
10-3-2008 12:40 AM
darkduskx
Wrong, pieces of gas-guzzling, inefficient engineering are still screwing up the world

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/34145218-DDDA-496B-A5ED-5BBAD785C2B1/

But I'm sure you'll turn a blind eye to reason
10-3-2008 12:41 AM
darkduskx
Even Palin supports clean energy initiatives LOL
10-3-2008 2:25 AM
n2sooners
Nothing wrong with clean energy. There are real pollutants in vehicle exhaust, CO2 just isn't one of them.

BTW, if man is the cause of climate change, does that mean there would be no climate change without man? Does that mean before the invention of the SUV that the climate never changed?
10-3-2008 2:47 AM
darkduskx
There are real pollutants in vehicle exhaust, CO2 just isn't one of them.
You cannot breathe/drink pure CO2 without dying. How many times do you need to be told this. This is why nature has plants which recycle it back to oxygen.

BTW, if man is the cause of climate change, does that mean there would
be no climate change without man? Does that mean before the invention
of the SUV that the climate never changed?
Apparently you missed my link so here it is again.

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/34145218-DDDA-496B-A5ED-5BBAD785C2B1/

It is called smog. A form of toxic fog. Fog is part of climate. It never existed before until man came and it's huge and it c...
10-3-2008 3:02 AM
n2sooners
You cannot breath pure H2) without dying either. You can't breath pure nitrogen without dying either. You cannot breath pure helium without dying either. Fact is, breathing pure oxygen for very long can be harmful and even fatal as well. So this whole "you can't breath pure CO2" argument to make it out as something bad is laughable.
10-3-2008 3:03 AM
n2sooners
H2) = H2O
10-3-2008 3:21 AM
darkduskx
You cannot breath pure H2) without dying either. You can't breath pure
nitrogen without dying either. You cannot breath pure helium without
dying either. Fact is, breathing pure oxygen for very long can be
harmful and even fatal as well. So this whole "you can't breath pure
CO2" argument to make it out as something bad is laughable.
So by your logic, if your SUV was pumping helium/nitrogen into the air you breathe, and you know too much of it is bad. Do you think it's ok to keep pumping it into the air?

Now THAT is laughable
10-3-2008 1:27 PM
gzuckier
would you care to explain to us the mechanism of how cosmic rays actually affect the climate? because it's been explained a zillion times how carbon dioxide absorbs IR and therefore more carbon dioxide can't help but mean more heat into the atmosphere. i don't know why that strikes you guys as unthinkable, but i assume that you must have a real solid mechanism as to what exactly cosmic rays do that drives the climate if you think that's the solution,

i hope it's not that old "nucleation of water droplets" canard, though. i mean, a few decades ago the whole world was agog at the concept of seeding clouds to nucleate water droplets and make it rain, you can see how far that got. funny, t...
10-3-2008 3:58 PM
kmcolo
Actually there is evidence that cosmic rays do help with cloud nucleation (tested in a laboratory cloud chamber experiment). A major hurdle to this theory though is the fact that since the 1950s there has been no trend in the cosmic ray data yet there have been changes in global temperatures and in ozone. And there seems to be no association with measured cloudiness and cosmic rays either. But none of this will stop this theory since it is being propelled by cognitive dissonance (which the past few months have not only highlighted but also bolded and italicized).

BTW, n2, the ozone hole and global warming are two different issues.
10-3-2008 4:33 PM
kmcolo
If the South Pole gets an ozone-hole maximum in the coming weeks, it will strengthen the case for cosmic rays, and endorse a Modern Warming driven by solar variations rather than human-emitted CO2.
And this is a set-up as the ozone hole max is always in the austral spring, i.e. in the coming weeks.
10-3-2008 4:41 PM
kmcolo
Poor Dr. Lu. He came up with an interesting theory about how cosmic rays are influencing the ozone destruction chemistry (interacting with chlorine from CFCs) which was conflated misleadingly with a far weaker theory about global warming (we global warming scientists are used to this sort of thing) to add legitimacy to the article. Sad it is to see the anti-science community resort to such bait-and-switch techniques but I suppose all is fair in order to be "right"?
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