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11-16-2007 10:27 AM1217 views
egoldstein says:
I'm as much to blame as anyone, but i really am disappointed that the American people site by so idly while the Bush administration screws people so badly.

It's great that we "disapprove" of them in polls, but when push comes to shove, we are allowing them to do whatever they want...and the results are truly sickening.
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11-16-2007 10:31 AM
Perkalicious11
I feel like part of the problem is that we'd never know about all of these cases unless the media informs us or if we'd meet these people ourselves. It seems like a cop-out to blame the media, but I wish there was a better way to stay informed that isn't so biased. All we know is what we're told.
11-16-2007 11:21 AM
n2sooners
My first evaluation earned me a 30% disability rating. Later, after another evaluation it was bumped up to 100% (more than I expected and without any help from CNN). On the other hand, after multiple attempts to get social security disability benefits, I finally just gave up. The military system isn't perfect, but it isn't all that bad either.
11-16-2007 11:38 AM
dl211
We have idiots in all fields, but to just say GWB is at fault is truely asinine and unfair.

Do you really think any president will know everything that happens right down to every person in the USA? Get real, blame the dopes who made the rediculous evaluations in the first place.

Many people will obviously need huge doses of meds once GWB leaves office.
11-16-2007 1:28 PM
egoldstein
I absolutely don't think it is directly GWB's fault. But I believe that the lack of accountability in many areas of our government is directly his fault...and that lack of accountability is, in my opinion, appalling.
11-16-2007 2:02 PM
Socratoad
What Eric said.
11-16-2007 2:23 PM
n2sooners
I got my 30% rating under Clinton. I got my 100% rating under Bush. Yet I manage not to go around all the time accusing Clinton of treating my like $#%$%.
11-16-2007 8:12 PM
willhelm
Wow, Just when you think Bush could not be blamed for anything else, along comes the accusation he is responsible for the bunglings of a low level VA bureaucrat.
11-16-2007 11:23 PM
BobbyRutan
Veterans Affairs (VA) Secretary, Jim Nicholson, has resigned.

Jim Nicholson was nominated by President George W. Bush to serve as Secretary of Veterans Affairs on December 9, 2004

Nicholson’s tenure put the health care of both current and future veterans at risk. Some highlights:

- In February 2005, Nicholson kicked off his tenure by calling praising a VA budget proposal that cut “health care staffing, reduced funding for nursing home care and [included] staffing cuts for the Board of Veterans Appeals.” He said it demonstrated of the Bush administration’s “ongoing commitment to provide the very best health care and benefits...
11-16-2007 11:24 PM
BobbyRutan
As Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) said today, “The next VA Secretary must have a record of being a strong and independent voice for veterans — not someone being rewarded for political loyalty.”
11-17-2007 7:56 AM
Socratoad
Thanks Bobby for your insightful research.
11-17-2007 1:42 PM
n2sooners
During the eight years of the Clinton administration, veteran spending increased 31.7%. During the first four years of the Bush administration, veteran spending increased by 37.6%. So Bush did more for veterans in his first term than Clinton did in two terms.
11-17-2007 4:44 PM
BobbyRutan
Appropriations bills are passed by the legislative branch and approved by the executive branch. Looks like the Newt Gingrich congress was pretty stingy with veterans.

The next question is whether the increases between 2000 and 2004 by the Congress will meet the $660 billion forecast needed to pay for veterans wounds and psychological damage suffered during the Iraq conflict.

Then balance that with the damage done by awarding the VA Directorship to a political loyalist instead of someone qualified for the job.

My belief is that Bush is a net loss for veterans when considering all measures.
11-17-2007 5:15 PM
n2sooners
So, when it involves Clinton, you blame congress, but when it involves Bush, you blame Bush? Nice spin.
11-17-2007 6:39 PM
BobbyRutan
Incorrect analysis. I am saying that Republicans aren't without blame also.

However your efforts to take Bush off the hook are pathetic. Bush's transgressions against our military personnel are on the level of treason and hardly comparable to any other president in the last 20-25 years. Take off your blinders.
11-17-2007 7:06 PM
egoldstein
Bush also lead this country into a war that has severely injured and killed many American soldiers. I think he has the responsibility to make sure that those who are in need of help get it.
11-17-2007 7:37 PM
n2sooners
However your efforts to take Bush off the hook are pathetic. Bush's transgressions against our military personnel are on the level of treason and hardly comparable to any other president in the last 20-25 years. Take off your blinders.
Get over your blinding hatred. Bush has done far more for veterans than Clinton, and as a disabled veteran I see what is being done first hand. So quit using us to try and advance your anti-Bush agenda.

Bush also lead this country into a war that has severely injured and killed many American soldiers.
I seem to recall a bipartisan effort to lead us to war, and Bush is doing more for veterans than any administration since the Nixon administration.
11-17-2007 7:46 PM
BobbyRutan
You have a very warped perspective for coming to your conclusions.

Going to war on a pack of lies is not doing more for veterans. Getting 20,000 soldiers wounded (and possibly many more whose PTSD and head injuries have gone undiagnosed) is not doing more for veterans.

Your experience is anecdotal and not the whole picture. If we are going to judge by one single case why not the one in this article?

Bush was advised about the illegitimacy of the Curveball information but Congress never was.

There isn't enough Bush can do to make up for the improper and treasonable use of our military.


11-17-2007 7:50 PM
n2sooners
My experience is more valid than your beliefs based on one story in a newspaper. You just don't want to accept the possibility that they could be true because of your rabid hatred for Bush.
11-17-2007 7:57 PM
NonStatQuo
I think the war is wrong. I think how we treat our soldiers who go to do anothers bidding is even worse than wrong. But with a 6 trillion dollar debt, and they can't serve those who served them? It is despicable.
11-17-2007 8:11 PM
BobbyRutan
@n2 spares us the lecture on rabid hatred of a President. You repugs are so dang hypocritical. You all couldn't go to bed at night without saying a prayer for Clinton's demise. You're a joke.

Your story is but one story. That's all it is. If we are going to judge on one singular story then we could use the one in the article and be as valid as yours.

You cited one statistic and never provided any information where someone could view that statistic and validate it. Provide something more.

It is well documented that Bush chose a VA Director based on political loyalty. Bush has a documented history of promoting people to positions they had no business being in charge of simply due to politic...
11-17-2007 8:18 PM
BobbyRutan
Update: n2sooners joins the conservative/republican side to ban commentary on their clips. No foul language was used at all. So much for the statement "our soldiers die to provide you with freedom of speech".

Don't worry n2 you are always free to comment on my Clips.
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